Coaching strategy differences between CBJ and CJP

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I don't know what to expect from Pruitt, but Butch's scheme was completely dependent on a true dual threat QB. Dobbs was the only one who fit that mold. It was cringeworthy in 2017 to see Butch try to make two pro-style QB's fit his system instead of adjusting his scheme to fit the players. JG to me is not really dual threat by the way; he averaged less than 3 yards per run in high school if I remember correctly. I don't know what Butch's OLine philosophy was. Maybe someone can elaborate on the OL scheme. I heard it was zone blocking, but whatever it was, it was trash. Another problem was developing players once they're here. Many came in as talented but unpolished athletes and graduated as talented but unpolished athletes. I think we'll be okay overall if Pruitt adapts his scheme to his players and can actually develop players.
 
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Volatility said:
I don't know what to expect from Pruitt, but Butch's scheme was completely dependent on a true dual threat QB. Dobbs was the only one who fit that mold. It was cringeworthy in 2017 to see Butch try to make two pro-style QB's fit his system instead of adjusting his scheme to fit the players. JG to me is not really dual threat by the way; he averaged less than 3 yards per run in high school if I remember correctly. I don't know what Butch's OLine philosophy was. Maybe someone can elaborate on the OL scheme. I heard it was zone blocking, but whatever it was, it was trash. Another problem was developing players once they're here. Many came in as talented but unpolished athletes and graduated as talented but unpolished athletes. I think we'll be okay overall if Pruitt adapts his scheme to his players and can actually develop players.
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True. Those Justin Worley offenses were painful to watch at times.
 
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Gandalf said:
While it is impossible to have a real comparison since this team hasnt played a down yet, I have noticed what others have said are some major differences between coaching styles between Butch and Pruitt.

Supposedly, Butch relied on trick plays and never letting the opponent know the next play. Offensive scheming was vital and the chart was repeatedly consulted like the Waterboy's fictitious Coach Kline's secret notebook - which is frankly hilarious since every play was pretty much give Hurd the ball and run up the center for a 2 yard gain or pass behind the line of scrimmage. This meant that CBJ coached for schemes, concealment and speed? (yes, I know you cant coach speed)

In comparison, the word on Pruitt, based upon his statements and past coaching style, seems to be more in the line of relying on aggression and simply beating people in execution. Even if you had his playbook, Pruitt would still expect his team to win through his players having naked aggression, better execution of a more limited set of fundamental plays and having the talent to make plays when the opportunity arises. So this is what CJP coaches for, aggression, toughness, fundamentals and assignments?

If the above line of thinking is true, then one reason CBJ had such problems is that reliance on scheme was fine in Cincinnati but doesnt work well in the rough and tumble of the SEC. Even GA Tech, with its tricky triple option is only dangerous because it is rare. If it were a steady diet, most SEC teams would compensate well. Pruitt, however, looks like a turn to what could be called a "Smashmouth Spread" on the O side and just flat out smashmouth on the D side. He knows overly complicated trick schemes do not last in the SEC.

What do you guys think? Does this sound like it better describes the differences between their coaching approaches?
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We could always tell what the next play was by the pre-snap line up.
 
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Wasnt it Rod Gilmore that pointed that out. He knew if it was run or pass.
 
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Butch
ā€¢ The SEC was too big of a job for Butch.

ā€¢ He failed making the proper adjustments at halftime.

ā€¢ His Big East spread offense got exposed to faster & stronger defenses after Dobbā€™s departure.

ā€¢ Uneccessary Injuries before the season ever started.

Pruitt
ā€¢ Pruitt has been successful as a DC everywhere heā€™s been, not to mention experience in the SEC.

ā€¢ Understands that needing an elite staff is a must to compete in the SEC.

ā€¢ He doesnā€™t pretend or kiss up to other players to make them happy. They have to earn it on the field.

ā€¢ Doesnā€™t use dumb slogans & cliches when he talks about football.
 
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Well, well...all I have to say is, ummm....
 

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My thoughts is more power football from Pruitt try to control the line of scrimmage. I doubt we line up a yard off the line like Butch. I doubt we pass from the half yard line. I know we won't have music during summer camp and we won't see a megaphone in Pruitt's hand yelling out crap.
 
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Matt2496 said:
They've only had two really good seasons out of the 5 that Malzahn has been there, and that was the same offense that lost to UCF in embarrassing fashion. No national titles either.

Far from "extremely successful" IMO.
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When Auburn has a good defense, they seem to win a lot of games. The key to wins for Tennessee this and future years is being able to maintain psition of the ball, score points, keep the defense off the field, and for the defense to get the ball back to offense without giving up long TD plays. I know, any team that can do these things will win a lot of games which is what I expect from Tennessee in the future.

The latest data on the teams strength and condition is encouraging even though they reveal that our teams were not as big as we were told. Bigger-better players will quickly pay off.
 
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Whos the offensive analyst we hired from that super successful small school that was one of the RPO originators? I remember reading about him and being excited about what his influence on the offense would be. I think between him, friend and Helton this offense is going to be phenomenal once they get the right players to execute it. Watching Heltons inverview yesterday i was extremely impressed. Instantly became my favorite coach.
 
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My biggest beef with Butch's teams was missed tackles and blown coverages on defense. I listened to CJP's presser and he mentioned that "Blocking and tackling" would be stressed in camp. Very refreshing to hear. You can have all the trick plays in the world, but if you don't have the fundamentals down, then forget it.
 
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Gandalf said:
While it is impossible to have a real comparison since this team hasnt played a down yet, I have noticed what others have said are some major differences between coaching styles between Butch and Pruitt.

Supposedly, Butch relied on trick plays and never letting the opponent know the next play. Offensive scheming was vital and the chart was repeatedly consulted like the Waterboy's fictitious Coach Kline's secret notebook - which is frankly hilarious since every play was pretty much give Hurd the ball and run up the center for a 2 yard gain or pass behind the line of scrimmage. This meant that CBJ coached for schemes, concealment and speed? (yes, I know you cant coach speed)

In comparison, the word on Pruitt, based upon his statements and past coaching style, seems to be more in the line of relying on aggression and simply beating people in execution. Even if you had his playbook, Pruitt would still expect his team to win through his players having naked aggression, better execution of a more limited set of fundamental plays and having the talent to make plays when the opportunity arises. So this is what CJP coaches for, aggression, toughness, fundamentals and assignments?

If the above line of thinking is true, then one reason CBJ had such problems is that reliance on scheme was fine in Cincinnati but doesnt work well in the rough and tumble of the SEC. Even GA Tech, with its tricky triple option is only dangerous because it is rare. If it were a steady diet, most SEC teams would compensate well. Pruitt, however, looks like a turn to what could be called a "Smashmouth Spread" on the O side and just flat out smashmouth on the D side. He knows overly complicated trick schemes do not last in the SEC.

What do you guys think? Does this sound like it better describes the differences between their coaching approaches?
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Butch Jones didn't teach the toughness and tenacity required to win in the SEC, he tried to rely on finesse far too often, not a proven tatic for winning in the ever so competitive SEC
 
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I think Pruitt will give us a defense that can make plays and, of course, stop the opposing team. And while we are at it, heā€™ll give us an offensive line that fires off the ball and dictates whatā€™s going to happen...not one that is taught to be reactive in some pseudo, zone-blocking scheme. GBO!
 
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Ertel said:
Whos the offensive analyst we hired from that super successful small school that was one of the RPO originators? I remember reading about him and being excited about what his influence on the offense would be. I think between him, friend and Helton this offense is going to be phenomenal once they get the right players to execute it. Watching Heltons inverview yesterday i was extremely impressed. Instantly became my favorite coach.
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You need to check out Chris Rumphā€™s.
 
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Gandalf said:
While it is impossible to have a real comparison since this team hasnt played a down yet, I have noticed what others have said are some major differences between coaching styles between Butch and Pruitt.

Supposedly, Butch relied on trick plays and never letting the opponent know the next play. Offensive scheming was vital and the chart was repeatedly consulted like the Waterboy's fictitious Coach Kline's secret notebook - which is frankly hilarious since every play was pretty much give Hurd the ball and run up the center for a 2 yard gain or pass behind the line of scrimmage. This meant that CBJ coached for schemes, concealment and speed? (yes, I know you cant coach speed)

In comparison, the word on Pruitt, based upon his statements and past coaching style, seems to be more in the line of relying on aggression and simply beating people in execution. Even if you had his playbook, Pruitt would still expect his team to win through his players having naked aggression, better execution of a more limited set of fundamental plays and having the talent to make plays when the opportunity arises. So this is what CJP coaches for, aggression, toughness, fundamentals and assignments?

If the above line of thinking is true, then one reason CBJ had such problems is that reliance on scheme was fine in Cincinnati but doesnt work well in the rough and tumble of the SEC. Even GA Tech, with its tricky triple option is only dangerous because it is rare. If it were a steady diet, most SEC teams would compensate well. Pruitt, however, looks like a turn to what could be called a "Smashmouth Spread" on the O side and just flat out smashmouth on the D side. He knows overly complicated trick schemes do not last in the SEC.

What do you guys think? Does this sound like it better describes the differences between their coaching approaches?
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"Supposedly, Butch relied on trick plays and never letting the opponent know the next play."

This statement was only true for the two years he had DeBord as OC. Before DeBord they were very very predictable and never had any good schemes. For all his shortcomings, DeBord added multiples and also had O-line pulling schemes to mask the issues of weak line. He also used Dobbs' legs fairly well. Where DeBord sucked being too conservative.
For some reason last year Tennessee decided they needed only 4-5 offensive plays. It was so predictable that it was embarrassing. The run plays were even worse.

Helton, based on what he has said, will run multiple. While he plans on running smash-mouth type power run game with Play-action deep balls, he said he wont shy from spreading it out of the shotgun. We will see how it goes.

As far as defense goes, TN did not field one in last two years so there isn't much to compare.
 
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Given weeks instead of days, a team unfamiliar with their style of play may properly prepare for the Jackets' triple option threat.[/QUOTE]
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We had 8 months to prepare for it and they ran for 535 yards, scored 41 points, and had more than a 2:1 advantage in time of possession....
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Bringing actual facts in here uh? That's a bit unfair don't you think?
 
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volmandu said:
Helton, based on what he has said, will run multiple. While he plans on running smash-mouth type power run game with Play-action deep balls, he said he wont shy from spreading it out of the shotgun. We will see how it goes.
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What I have read is that, while the deep balls will be often enough to thin the secondary, the focus will be vertical not horizontal with RBs focused on powering through instead of hitting the edges. Some are calling this "Smashmouth Spread". Not sure this is what Helton will be doing but it is a style of play being strongly looked at as very advantageous and I am guessing it would fit CJP's basic approach.
 
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Butch's biggest problem was that he never learned from his failures. Example - no matter how many times we failed to score in shotgun formation from the 1 yard line, he always insisted on doing it. It doesn't take a genius to see that doesn't work very well, especially when recent results speak for themselves. Yet he continued to do it over and over and over...

Another example was his poor game clock management. It happened in multiple games at crucial times every season. Great coaches learn from their mistakes and make the appropriate changes. Poor coaches are too stubborn to admit they did anything wrong (or just oblivious).
 
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