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#926
#926
VolsSportsFan said:
900 wins at Belmont is great and all but that's the point, it's at Belmont. There's nothing telling me it's some given that translates to winning big at UT. He's never recruited at this level nor coached day in and day out at this level.
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Doesn't mean he would be bad. And that's my point. Big name is what everyone wants. But Byrd is a better coach than Tyndall or Counzo are and we have settled for far worse is my only point.
 
#927
#927
volgrad500 said:
He's been at Texas since '99 and missed the tournament once in that time. He has 2 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, and one final four during that time. I wish to hell we could have some of that underachievement here.
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Yeah I agree. If that's all he did at Texas, then I'll take that all day long. :yes:
 
#928
#928
barknoxbrawler said:
Comparing achievements and wins/loses at Belmont to Texas is fine. Coaching wise ......Byrd has gotten more out of less for far more years than Barnes. Coaching wise, I believe Byrd is up there with some of the better names in college basketball.
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Byrd would be a good hire if we had young talent but we need someone to recruit talent. Perception is Byrd wouldn't recruit well and I think it's a normal perception for a guy who's coached at Belmont for 30 ish years
 
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#929
#929
barknoxbrawler said:
Comparing achievements and wins/loses at Belmont to Texas is fine. Coaching wise .....
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I didn't add Clemson and Princeton to the tally, makes my point even clearer. Barnes knows what it takes to get talented young men NBA ready, Byrd 's NBA alum is a very short list.
 
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#931
#931
docholiday said:
Quick question are you and all the Martin sheep really this dumb?
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I love how people create and use terms like "Martin sheep", "Negavol", "sunshine pumper", etc., on this board because they think it makes them sound smarter when it actually just distracts from the fact they are generally using it because they cannot formulate a good argument or response. However, with that being said, I was not a "Martin sheep", but did think he got a very raw deal from the fanbase.
 
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#932
#932
Barnes won at Clemson. Which, in and of it's self, is impressive considering how difficult the ACC was during his tenure. He we the only coach willing to stand up to Dean Smith and his traveling band of refs. He had a somewhat acrimonious split with Clemson, including some rather salacious rumors, but all in all, Barnes would be a good hire at UT, and a guy that could eventually win. The only 2 problems I see with Barnes at UT are:

1. Age and patience. I'm not sure Rick is a point in his career where he wants to build a program back up from the ground, and with U.T.'s current roster, that's the task at hand. Does he have the energy and patience to suffer for a few years while building the program?

2. Style of play. When Rick was at Clemson, it was defense first, defense second, and then more defense. It was an effective, but ugly style of basketball that relied on making the game as short as possible and beating people up inside. Barnes teams finished 288th, 221st, 185th, and 117th in points per game. Now, that has improved at Texas, as his talent has improved, but when you strip it down, Barnes is still a slow the game down, beat you up, defensive coach. I'm not sure how that plays at UT if he isn't also winning, and it's going to be tough to win for a few years.
 
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#933
#933
As I said in the Barnes thread, Tennessee has more Sweet 16 appearances in the last 10 years than Barnes does. He's a terrible game day coach and the biggest underachiever in college basketball. No, no and no.
 
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#934
#934
drewtigeralum said:
Barnes won at Clemson. Which, in and of it's self, is impressive considering how difficult the ACC was during his tenure. He we the only coach willing to stand up to Dean Smith and his traveling band of refs. He had a somewhat acrimonious split with Clemson, including some rather salacious rumors, but all in all, Barnes would be a good hire at UT, and a guy that could eventually win. The only 2 problems I see with Barnes at UT are:

1. Age and patience. I'm not sure Rick is a point in his career where he wants to build a program back up from the ground, and with U.T.'s current roster, that's the task at hand. Does he have the energy and patience to suffer for a few years while building the program?

2. Style of play. When Rick was at Clemson, it was defense first, defense second, and then more defense. It was an effective, but ugly style of basketball that relied on making the game as short as possible and beating people up inside. Barnes teams finished 288th, 221st, 185th, and 117th in points per game. Now, that has improved at Texas, as his talent has improved, but when you strip it down, Barnes is still a slow the game down, beat you up, defensive coach. I'm not sure how that plays at UT if he isn't also winning, and it's going to be tough to win for a few years.
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Both of those criticisms are fair.

Barnes does stress defense-first basketball with points made out of half-court sets. Many on here felt that was Cuonzo's weakness as well, being a defensive first coach. Cuonzo's real issue wasn't the defensive first strategy. It his dysfunctional offense. Rarely, if ever, did Cuonzo utilize plays. Barnes would encourage the same defensive focus while being able to implement an actual offense.

The age and patience concern is legitimate. There is nothing I can really say to that. If Tennessee were to hire Barnes, we'd all have to wait and see how committed Barnes would be to rebuilding our program.

That said, of all the coaches we've mentioned, I think Barnes offers the quickest rebuild.
 
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#935
#935
Caculator said:
Barnes is the better coach vs. Byrd and would do everything much better plus be 10 times the recruiter. If it is stability you want the choice between the two is crystal clear, Barnes every time.
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Byrd is an infinitely better game coach than Barnes is, but I don't want Byrd here, either, and that's not a slight on Byrd. Byrd is the type of coach who is exactly where he needs to be and does exceptionally well there. However, if we do hire him, we would be very well coached as a team.
 
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#936
#936
BruinVol said:
Bill Justice stated on the Doug Mathews show this morning that himself and other former players want Rick Byrd.


I am now on that bandwagon. Biggest reason being he will bring great stability for a 3-5 year period and then I believe the time will be right for a homecoming in which many if not all of the big donors will strongly support.
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Something I wouldn't hate but won't happen is giving Byrd a five year contract for $1.5M, then give Will Wade asst. HC with the HC in waiting that for $1M with a bump when he takes over.
 
#937
#937
zjcvols said:
Something I wouldn't hate but won't happen is giving Byrd a five year contract for $1.5M, then give Will Wade asst. HC with the HC in waiting that for $1M with a bump when he takes over.
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If I am just going to roll the dice on a coach Wade would be my guy. He will get a better gig soon.
 
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#939
#939
barknoxbrawler said:
I don't think that is what was implied. I think he meant Byrd for 3-5 years to stabilize the program before old Pearl comes back home (you know, because he was here for so long that this is home).

Byrd is a great hire. Bruce is not.
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No. It was meant homecoming for Byrd. Byrd has always said he'd love the opportunity but the timing for UT never lined up and he now accepts that it likely won't happen and Belmont is where he likely ends his career. This could be timing finally lining up and him getting his homecoming opportunity.
 
#940
#940
JohnMcA60 said:
Realistic candidates at Tennessee - CBSSports.com


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I can not stand people (outsiders especially) telling us who is " realistic"!!! (yes I understand people can take that too extreme and give unreasonable names if they try). For example, I do not understand why Archie Miller is unrealistic? Would Tn have to pay up, yes. I know they have not shown pattern to pay up, but he may finally have to pay up to save face imo. Also by mentioning how well they did this year financially seemed to indicate that he is saying he will pay up imo.
 
#941
#941
Unimane said:
As I said in the Barnes thread, Tennessee has more Sweet 16 appearances in the last 10 years than Barnes does. He's a terrible game day coach and the biggest underachiever in college basketball. No, no and no.
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That's kind of selective usage of information, considering Barnes has more sweet 16s, elite 8s and final 4s in his career than UT has in the history of their program. That being said, I don't think there's any need to disparage Barnes because frankly he's out of our league. He's not coming here.
 
#942
#942
volnpowell said:
I can not stand people (outsiders especially) telling us who is " realistic"!!! (yes I understand people can take that too extreme and give unreasonable names if they try). For example, I do not understand why Archie Miller is unrealistic? Would Tn have to pay up, yes. I know they have not shown pattern to pay up, but he may finally have to pay up to save face imo. Also by mentioning how well they did this year financially seemed to indicate that he is saying he will pay up imo.
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How much do you think we would have to pay Miller? 3 mill plus IMO
 
#944
#944
volnpowell said:
I can not stand people (outsiders especially) telling us who is " realistic"!!! (yes I understand people can take that too extreme and give unreasonable names if they try). For example, I do not understand why Archie Miller is unrealistic? Would Tn have to pay up, yes. I know they have not shown pattern to pay up, but he may finally have to pay up to save face imo. Also by mentioning how well they did this year financially seemed to indicate that he is saying he will pay up imo.
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Archie Miller is in the drivers seat right now. He has a job he likes at Dayton that pays well. He also doesn't have to share the spotlight or compete for resources with football. Basically, he can stay at Dayton, be financially set for life (and probably have his kids and grandkids set for life) or he can jump to UT, with a disaster of a roster, and some real issues in terms of leadership. Archie Miller will someday leave Dayton, but it will be for another stable job where he can come in and win right away. Probably more a retirement situation than firing (unless it's at a blue blood program like Indiana). He can win, and win big at Dayton, while being fairly compensated, and without the pressure cooker that is UT basketball.
 
#945
#945
volnpowell said:
I can not stand people (outsiders especially) telling us who is " realistic"!!! (yes I understand people can take that too extreme and give unreasonable names if they try). For example, I do not understand why Archie Miller is unrealistic? Would Tn have to pay up, yes. I know they have not shown pattern to pay up, but he may finally have to pay up to save face imo. Also by mentioning how well they did this year financially seemed to indicate that he is saying he will pay up imo.
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I agree but maybe they know that AD Hart will never pony up.
 
#946
#946
Yankee_Vol said:
He was making around $355K before the extension (so maybe around $500K now). I think we could easily at least triple his pay.
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That was actually his pay from 2011, which was only a part year since it was the year he was hired. Add in two raises/extensions, he's easily making triple that figure at Dayton.
 
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#947
#947
volmenteer said:
That was actually his pay from 2011, which was only a part year since it was the year he was hired. Add in two raises/extensions, he's easily making triple that figure at Dayton.
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No one knows how much he is making because Dayton doesn't have to disclose his salary. Anyone throwing numbers out are really just guessing, and in this case, it's probably more wishful thinking than anything.
 
#949
#949
volmenteer said:
That was actually his pay from 2011, which was only a part year since it was the year he was hired. Add in two raises/extensions, he's easily making triple that figure at Dayton.
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I highly doubt he's making $1 mil at Dayton. Regardless, we can pay more than f'n Dayton
 
#950
#950
drewtigeralum said:
No one knows how much he is making because Dayton doesn't have to disclose his salary. Anyone throwing numbers out are really just guessing, and in this case, it's probably more wishful thinking than anything.
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You can bet UT knows what he's making. UT is tight with one of their very famous alumni.
 
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