Coaching--really?

#51
#51
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Saban rebuilt Michigan State, then rebuilt LSU, and then did something in a couple of years at Bama that four other guys failed to do.
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“Rebuilt” Michigan State to averaging 6 wins in 5 seasons and it had such staying power that Bobby Williams went 16-17 afterwards. Michigan State and the Dolphins aren’t in his success movie.
 
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Woke said:
Sorry it’s not just about the “jimmys and joes” it’s also about coaching. That’s why these guys get paid millions. Pruitt does NOT get a pass on his decisionmaking simply bc our players suck. Or bc he’s a rookie HC. His in-game decisions absolutely matter and merit discussion.

We beat Auburn bc Pruitt has the inside track there. We lost to SC bc Pruitt doesn’t. I’m a Pruitt guy but there’s more to being a championship level HC than just developing bigger tougher “jimmys and joes”.

Against SC Pruitt made questionable decisions that put in motion a failure cascade we couldn’t overcome. He allowed a competent talented relief pitcher to sit in the dugout while our starter only managed <5 yards per completion. That anemic O productivity was NEVER going to be enough to overcome a fully rested SC team with an experienced aggressive SEC HC. I’m concerned about ANY coach who thought otherwise.

We needed our FULL weapons deployed on O to produce max points and by not finding a way to get KC meaningfully involved Pruitt failed to do that. The result was our D bled out as our O was in a war of attrition we couldn’t win. Rookie SEC HC mistakes IMO.

If Pruitt continues down this path the remainder of this season we risk repeating the same results. Einstein’s definition of insanity comes into play. Unnecessarily hard way to get on the job training. That won’t convince me he’s “the One”.

IMO an experienced SEC “rookie” HC like Mullen would probably have won that SC game from our sidelines.

Non-SEC HCs like Frost have got NOTHING to do with this just bc his players suck too.
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Meh. Lost steam with the “talented relief pitcher” analogy and plunged off the hill with the rest of that crap. Difference between brilliant coaching and “mistakes” is talent swinging the narrative. Just facts. 😎
 
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Some UT "fans" always amaze me. I don't know how many were around before the 90's but if this site had existed in the late 70s and 80s a certain percentage on here would have already stroked out. Magician is a mandatory checkbox on any coach coming to coach our team. There are those w hu o actually expected the team to be undefeated or else the new coach is terrible. I was hoping for a better result, but I have seen a significant improvement over how the team played last year.
 
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Rebel VOL said:
We are just tired of sucking, our excuse has always been next year
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And some of us are tired of the whining of some "fans", be an adult, grow up and support this team win or lose. It doesn't take much brain power to be a Bama fan. These players need fan support more now than ever. Be the fan the players want you to be, better days are ahead.
 
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hog88 said:
No he is saying he MIGHT not be that good of a DC since he was stacked with talent at his coaching stops. We don’t know how good he is working with less than stellar players.
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Well since you put MIGHT in caps, that's not entirely accurate. He said he didn't think we have ANY evidence that Pruitt is a good DC.
 
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hog88 said:
No he is saying he MIGHT not be that good of a DC since he was stacked with talent at his coaching stops. We don’t know how good he is working with less than stellar players.
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We do know how good Chip Kelly and Scott Frost are with that caveat...they suck!
 
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Behr said:
Well since you put MIGHT in caps, that's not entirely accurate. He said he didn't think we have ANY evidence that Pruitt is a good DC.
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Sorry for the misquote, means the same thing though.
 
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Behr said:
I don't think it does. There is enough evidence for me to consider him a GOOD DC.
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Don’t know about you, but these doctoral thesis takes that being able to coach good to great talent at an elite level proves that you can’t coach lesser talent COMPETENTLY is what keeps bringing me back to VN. 😉
 
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Allow me to assert that we have neither the talent nor the coaching to compete at an elite level. Now everybody else should be off the hook.
 
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are we there yet...is this the countdown to firing Coach Pruitt after this season...:D

GO VOLS!
 
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butchna said:
Don’t know about you, but these doctoral thesis takes that being able to coach good to great talent at an elite level proves that you can’t coach lesser talent COMPETENTLY is what keeps bringing me back to VN. 😉
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Its something new this year that I never saw coming. What is that phrase, something about mental gymnastics?
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Just a few quick comments to all of you blaming our coaches for our poor performances:

1. Scott Frost has been a HC and led UCF to a 19-7 record over 2 years--going 6-7 in his first year and 13-0 in his second.
2. Frost has Nebraska at 2-6 after beginning 0-6-and playing a MUCH easier schedule than UT.

Has Frost--who is in his 3rd year as a HC--suddenly lost his knowledge and ability to coach FB?
Was Nebraska's 0-6 start all because he was just too stupid to know how to adjust and get better performances from his players?
Is Nebraska losing because Frost and his coaches are just too dumb to make proper in-game adjustments?

Of course the answer is a RESOUNDING NO to all of those questions.

Frost and crew just do not have the players to compete with other programs--YET.

DITTO for CJP and crew....

so please quit showing your absolute and unquestionable ignorance by saying that we have good enough talent on the field now to compete in the ELITE conference in all of NCAA football. Three of our five losses have come to #1, #6, and #13 teams in the nation.

It is too soon to think that COACHING is the problem--JUST ASK SCOTT FROST and NEBRASKA. At least their fans have some reasonable expectations and average football IQ.
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Unfortunately majority of our fan base is ignorant and can't grasp or recognize the job Pruitt inherited.
 
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Rooster1 said:
9 mos. ago this board literally laid all problems on Jones, it wasn't the talent.....remember? Countless threads on how UT had recruited so well and HAD the talent to compete if just not for Jones. Now the script flips, no talent left by Jones, no development etc. CJP inherited the debacle. Three to four years to fix...etc...wow.
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You’re memory is different from mine. I remember a lot of talent issues being talked about. And Of course every talent issue was 100% on Jones being everyone was his players, being in year 4 we should of been well on the road to being relevant if it was going to happen. Of course most of us saw it all falling apart the season before and were not at all surprised to see a team in shambles before he was shown the Door!
Question is how is your memory going to be next year ? Mine will be a team that went from being an embarrassment the year before that had given up and Quit by halftime to one with the same talent plays hard and doesn’t quit and shows signs of improving, and expect to be even better next year as opposed to expecting a dumpster fire like before.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
He's really good at running defenses that were already chock full of elite talent. 1 year at FSU, 2 at UGA and 2 at Bama. He didn't build any of those defenses. I don't think we have any evidence that he is even a great coordinator. All we have is our hopes and dreams.
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I have evidence he is a great coordinator. Nick Saban put him in charge of his D. Proof
 
#69
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butchna said:
People who want that home run hire! Are you a Razorbacks fan?
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Frost would have been a double, Kelly wouldn't make it in the SEC so neither would have been close to a home run hire.

No, not in the slightest but I can see why you would be confused.
 
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Behr said:
I don't think it does. There is enough evidence for me to consider him a GOOD DC.
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Ok, I'll concede that he should be considered a good DC. Jury is still out as to whether he will be a good HC
 
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Another Dobb’s type QB would speed up the rebuild considerably, think about that for a moment, just 1 player
 
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Woke said:
Sorry it’s not just about the “jimmys and joes” it’s also about coaching. That’s why these guys get paid millions. Pruitt does NOT get a pass on his decisionmaking simply bc our players suck. Or bc he’s a rookie HC. His in-game decisions absolutely matter and merit discussion.

We beat Auburn bc Pruitt has the inside track there. We lost to SC bc Pruitt doesn’t. I’m a Pruitt guy but there’s more to being a championship level HC than just developing bigger tougher “jimmys and joes”.

Against SC Pruitt made questionable decisions that put in motion a failure cascade we couldn’t overcome. He allowed a competent talented relief pitcher to sit in the dugout while our starter only managed <5 yards per completion. That anemic O productivity was NEVER going to be enough to overcome a fully rested SC team with an experienced aggressive SEC HC. I’m concerned about ANY coach who thought otherwise.

We needed our FULL weapons deployed on O to produce max points and by not finding a way to get KC meaningfully involved Pruitt failed to do that. The result was our D bled out as our O was in a war of attrition we couldn’t win. Rookie SEC HC mistakes IMO.

If Pruitt continues down this path the remainder of this season we risk repeating the same results. Einstein’s definition of insanity comes into play. Unnecessarily hard way to get on the job training. That won’t convince me he’s “the One”.

IMO an experienced SEC “rookie” HC like Mullen would probably have won that SC game from our sidelines.

Non-SEC HCs like Frost have got NOTHING to do with this just bc his players suck too.
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So, Pruitt doesn’t get a pass on his decision making simply because our players suck, what are YOU going to do about it?
 
#73
#73
At this point:

4-8 I will be concerned and nervous about the future but see how next year goes with pessimism leading into it

5-7 we will have semi met expectations for this schedule/roster depth and first time HC with new system and jury definitely still out

6-6 then some decent hope for future, excited about recruiting, glad for a bowl, but but jury still out and see how he grows as HC

7-5 then starting to get pumped for future possibilities (other than lack of d line depth next year) and even more ticked about the SC game and that we aren’t 8-4

I think we end up 5-7 but holding out hope for 6-6 for a bowl and potential recruiting impact
 
#74
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MikeVol44 said:
Just a few quick comments to all of you blaming our coaches for our poor performances:

1. Scott Frost has been a HC and led UCF to a 19-7 record over 2 years--going 6-7 in his first year and 13-0 in his second.
2. Frost has Nebraska at 2-6 after beginning 0-6-and playing a MUCH easier schedule than UT.

Has Frost--who is in his 3rd year as a HC--suddenly lost his knowledge and ability to coach FB?
Was Nebraska's 0-6 start all because he was just too stupid to know how to adjust and get better performances from his players?
Is Nebraska losing because Frost and his coaches are just too dumb to make proper in-game adjustments?

Of course the answer is a RESOUNDING NO to all of those questions.

Frost and crew just do not have the players to compete with other programs--YET.

DITTO for CJP and crew....

so please quit showing your absolute and unquestionable ignorance by saying that we have good enough talent on the field now to compete in the ELITE conference in all of NCAA football. Three of our five losses have come to #1, #6, and #13 teams in the nation.

It is too soon to think that COACHING is the problem--JUST ASK SCOTT FROST and NEBRASKA. At least their fans have some reasonable expectations and average football IQ.
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MikeVol44 said:
Just a few quick comments to all of you blaming our coaches for our poor performances:

1. Scott Frost has been a HC and led UCF to a 19-7 record over 2 years--going 6-7 in his first year and 13-0 in his second.
2. Frost has Nebraska at 2-6 after beginning 0-6-and playing a MUCH easier schedule than UT.

Has Frost--who is in his 3rd year as a HC--suddenly lost his knowledge and ability to coach FB?
Was Nebraska's 0-6 start all because he was just too stupid to know how to adjust and get better performances from his players?
Is Nebraska losing because Frost and his coaches are just too dumb to make proper in-game adjustments?

Of course the answer is a RESOUNDING NO to all of those questions.

Frost and crew just do not have the players to compete with other programs--YET.

DITTO for CJP and crew....

so please quit showing your absolute and unquestionable ignorance by saying that we have good enough talent on the field now to compete in the ELITE conference in all of NCAA football. Three of our five losses have come to #1, #6, and #13 teams in the nation.

It is too soon to think that COACHING is the problem--JUST ASK SCOTT FROST and NEBRASKA. At least their fans have some reasonable expectations and average football IQ.
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I’m with this guy ☝️
 
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