Coaching Change Will = Kiffin 2.0

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While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
 
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If we don't take the risk, then we will never know.

I'd rather roll the dice than settle for "safe", which is no more than mediocrity. Our University and players deserve better.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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Thank goodness he isn't the Associate AD.

Who is our Associate AD?

Who is our billionaire?
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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that's not what they're doing. you're acting as if there's zero reason to have a shred of doubt. there is.

agree with the evolving part...was my biggest concern during the off season....it's a lot to ask for basically a completely new staff, s&c, and replacing the players we had to replace to all gel and it all come together in a single off season.

don't think your assertion that it "will equal" lane kiffin 2.0 is an absolute truth. that's just your opinion based on your opinion of Currie.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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Cupboard was stocked? We had some good players in certain spots but not elite depth.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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Your username speaks for itself.... We don't have Hamilton or Dave Hart. There are multiple big fish out there that we can seriously pursue.

Hiring Lane was all about a culture change from Fulmer with a dumbass Athletic Director.

You're lying to yourself if you think us changing coaches this offseason is anything similar to the coaching search of 2008.
 
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that's not what they're doing. you're acting as if there's zero reason to have a shred of doubt. there is.

agree with the evolving part...was my biggest concern during the off season....it's a lot to ask for basically a completely new staff, s&c, and replacing the players we had to replace to all gel and it all come together in a single off season.

don't think your assertion that it "will equal" lane kiffin 2.0 is an absolute truth. that's just your opinion based on your opinion of Currie.
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Demanding a coach to be fired after he has had three games to gel a team with new players at QB, RB, WR and new coaches across the entire board is ridiculous.

It's even more ridiculous given the ADs track record of analyzing and selecting talent to build a team.
 
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Also, hiring Kiffin wasn't nearly as much of a problem as hiring Dooley; and don't start with the "He was all we could get" BS. He was brought in as a "safe" hire because he was a good 'ol southern boy who said "britches".
 
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Funny... I remember WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS too. And when Bowl Games were a given. And when 10 wins seasons were possible EVERY year.

The people who are scared to change or take a chance will flounder in the status quo forever.

Sometimes change is a GOOD thing. Even a necessary thing.

We'll see at the end of the year. Jones took a HUGE chance overhauling his staff, knowing that it would take a while to adjust to the new guys. I'll give him credit... At least he had the balls to do it! It's those same balls on the line.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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What is a reasonable sample size to prove whether or not a coaching staff can win? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
While several are out harassing our recruits and blistering our message board to feel like you matter, a few of us remember what happened in 2008 when Tennessee was ripe for a coaching change...the cupboard was stocked...players weren't being developed....and a new offense struggled to be installed.

John Currie lead a nation wide search to hire Lane Kiffin.

While Hamilton gets the rap, it was the Associate AD, John Currie, who was in charge of the task.

Keep that in mind as you demand change for the sake of change. Perhaps the greatest change will be letting a new QB, new RBs, new WRs, new OC, and new position coaches evolve and grow.

Just a thought. History shows us that fire everyone under the current leadership is a recipe for disaster.
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Coaching changes can be a disaster, or they can be very successful.

I'd rather not let fear of the unknown dictate the course of action.

Can Butch win the SEC? That's all it comes down to. So far it doesn't look like he can. He's had time for his recruits, his coaching, and his program to take hold. Not looking too strong.

A decision shouldn't be made this week or next, but at the end of the season I imagine we'll know what he's capable of. Hope it doesn't end like last year.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
Demanding a coach to be fired after he has had three games to gel a team with new players at QB, RB, WR and new coaches across the entire board is ridiculous.

It's even more ridiculous given the ADs track record of analyzing and selecting talent to build a team.
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And you still aren't getting it right.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
Demanding a coach to be fired after he has had three games to gel a team with new players at QB, RB, WR and new coaches across the entire board is ridiculous.

It's even more ridiculous given the ADs track record of analyzing and selecting talent to build a team.
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....and 4 years.
 
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Obviously in hindsight, Kiffin was a bad hire. But, at the time, it was actually considered a fairly big hire. Further, had he stayed he very likely would have been successful.

If he were still the coach here, I would be willing to bet the overall win total for the team over that same time span would be higher by quite a bit.

Of course, you have to account for his sliminess. It also is possible that the school would be under sanctions.
 
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Looking back is always easy. Kiffin was a flashy hire with a hall of fame dad as a d coord. Our mistake was how we structured his contract and it smoked us. We wont make that mistake again.
 
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no one is wanting him fired solely because of the last 3 games. now, it may have tipped some over to that side....because it's the same thing, year in, year out.

it's a track record. not 3 games.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Obviously in hindsight, Kiffin was a bad hire. But, at the time, it was actually considered a fairly big hire. Further, had he stayed he very likely would have been successful.

If he were still the coach here, I would be willing to bet the overall win total for the team over that same time span would be higher by quite a bit.

Of course, you have to account for his sliminess. It also is possible that the school would be under sanctions.
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And the bigger mistake was replacing him with Doofus.
 
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jakez4ut said:
no one is wanting him fired solely because of the last 3 games. now, it may have tipped some over to that side....because it's the same thing, year in, year out.

it's a track record. not 3 games.
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Exactly; making it sound like the discord is because of the first 3 games is a strawman.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Then I hope you're happy with 8-4 as the ceiling. Get used to it.
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Don't be an idiot. We'll AVERAGE 8 wins with Butch, but the ceiling is much higher. I think we should stay patient and hang on to him, but I'm open to making an upgrade if it's there for the taking.
 
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