Coaches that turned it around in year 4?

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BBlevyOUUT said:
I would view UGA/Bama as the comparison to Oregon/USC. We poach one of those and who knows? I'm unhappy as the next guy with some of our coaching decisions so far but as i saw another poster say, Team 119 would wipe the floor with Team 117/118 which to me is progress no matter how you look at it.
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Keeping with the timeline of early disappointment and bounce back success, yes, you're right. I hope they can surprise UGA and Bama like Oregon and USC, I just do not see it happening, unfortunately.

Stanford had way way way better talent at QB and OL. Every time the ball is snapped and not handed to Hurd or Kamara, I immediately get depressed.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
4 head coaches in 6 years results in poor recruiting. Poor recruiting results in poor on the field performance. Not enough jrs and srs making plays right now. Can't build an sec roster with only 2 recruiting classes.
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Your common sense isn't welcomed around here. (Blue font)
 
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knoxville's finest said:
4 head coaches in 6 years results in poor recruiting. Poor recruiting results in poor on the field performance. Not enough jrs and srs making plays right now. Can't build an sec roster with only 2 recruiting classes.
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Which does not answer the question asked. You are simply giving a knee-jerk excuse.

It really doesn't matter why various coaches have not won... it only matters that coaches who do not have early success have not gone on to win championships.

FTR, Jones has had 3 classes. He was handicapped on the 1st one but that goes with the territory.

Your excuse also doesn't cover the way UT has lost this year. They haven't lost because they've been overwhelmed by better players. They've lost due to playing/coaching too tight (choking) after having outplayed the opposition through most of the game.
 
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John Terrell Majors did WORSE in year four than in year three.

He only won three SEC titles while at UT ...

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...

Then of course there was Philip Fulmer who only won two SEC titles and a National Championship during his tenure on The Hill.

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...
 
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G0 BIG 0RANGE said:
From 2000-2006, Alabama had Dubose, Franchione, Price*, Shula, and Kines* and they had a 4 win season and NCAA sanctions. I truly thought they'd never dig their way back out of that mess. But they did when they dump truqcked millions on Saban's lawn.
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And Saban paid the fans back with a NC in year 3.

No coach has taken 4 years to turn around a program and lived to tell about it.
 
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OneManGang said:
John Terrell Majors did WORSE in year four than in year three.

He only won three SEC titles while at UT ...

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...

Then of course there was Philip Fulmer who only won two SEC titles and a National Championship during his tenure on The Hill.

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...
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And ON AND ON it goes. :pinch:
 
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JAllen18 said:
Tennessee is in a unique situation and it's very hard to compare with other coaches. 3 coaching changes in 5 years, Huge roster turnover, Toughest conference in College football.
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No. Not that unique. Many coaches have taken over bad situations. Some fail. Some succeed. Few coaches fail to win 8 games within their first 3 years and then go on to success. Many coaches have that success and still fail...

But as I have argued here many times, coaching ability will shine through even when the players aren't there. Great coaches figure out how to get results with what they have rather than complaining about what they don't have.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
4 head coaches in 6 years results in poor recruiting. Poor recruiting results in poor on the field performance. Not enough jrs and srs making plays right now. Can't build an sec roster with only 2 recruiting classes.
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Lmao. Even if it has nothing to do with the question, people just start spewing out excuses anyway.
 
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OneManGang said:
John Terrell Majors did WORSE in year four than in year three.

He only won three SEC titles while at UT ...

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...

Then of course there was Philip Fulmer who only won two SEC titles and a National Championship during his tenure on The Hill.

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...
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My understanding is that Majors had other issues... AND that UT had a rising young star that was going to get a HC gig at UT or somewhere else... named Phillip Fulmer.

The game had passed Fulmer by. No one since has fixed it but he's the one who drove the program into a ditch. He had some great years... but over his last 4 seasons he managed to create a huge mess that was NOT getting better. He was not recruiting well. Many of his prize recruits were busts.

Before you have a spasm... just go and look at his OL and DL signees for the last 3 years he was at UT. It was as bad or worse than what Dooley did as far as producing contributors.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
4 head coaches in 6 years results in poor recruiting. Poor recruiting results in poor on the field performance. Not enough jrs and srs making plays right now. Can't build an sec roster with only 2 recruiting classes.
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Weeeell, Lou Holtz was 0-11 his first yr in Columbia and then went 8-4 and 9-3. Now, I wouldn't necessarily want to follow the Holtz pattern because he went heavy JUCO and created some massive Sr classes that caused the program to crash shortly afterwards but he inherited a true dumpster fire and won games in yr 2 and 3.
 
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sjt18 said:
my understanding is that majors had other issues... And that ut had a rising young star that was going to get a hc gig at ut or somewhere else... Named phillip fulmer.

The game had passed fulmer by. No one since has fixed it but he's the one who drove the program into a ditch. He had some great years... But over his last 4 seasons he managed to create a huge mess that was not getting better. He was not recruiting well. Many of his prize recruits were busts.

Before you have a spasm... Just go and look at his ol and dl signees for the last 3 years he was at ut. It was as bad or worse than what dooley did as far as producing contributors.
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Exhibit A.
 
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BBlevyOUUT said:
Depends on what you classify as "any success", but Jim Harbaugh at Stanford:

2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 12-1

In my opinion I've always viewed Jones' rebuilding challenge at TN similar to the one that Harbaugh undertook at Stanford.

Imagine if their fanbase grew too impatient with him in yr 3 after losing to Wake Forest in their 2nd game that year. They later came back that year with wins over Oregon (7) and USC (11). BTW, that team that lost to Wake Forest in their second game had the following players: Andrew Luck, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, Toby Gerhart, Colby Fleener, and 3 future NFL O-linemen. Young talent that hadn't yet learned to win.

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Stanford was 1-11 when he took over. Tennessee coaches don't have anywhere near that challenge.
 
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Dabo Swinney
4-6
9-5
6-7
10-4
11-2
11-2
and after that we all know where he is. Clemson is a program that has grown.
 
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OneManGang said:
John Terrell Majors did WORSE in year four than in year three.

He only won three SEC titles while at UT ...

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...

Then of course there was Philip Fulmer who only won two SEC titles and a National Championship during his tenure on The Hill.

Then, of course, UT HAD to fire him because the "fans" decided he didn't know what he was doing, didn't make in-game adjustments, called the wrong plays, hired the wrong guys, yada, yada ...
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Sounds like you don't think the "fans" know what they're talking about a lot of the time.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!
 
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