Coach Matthews opines that this current Fr class is the best in over

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Volsfaninva917 said:
You're butt hurt, calm down.

Kamara- Don't you agree he was underutilized during his time at Tennessee?

Malone- Another player that was underutilized?

Dobbs- Great ambassador for Tennessee but what could have been if he had a true QB coach during his tenure here.

JRM- Had a great career here

Barnett- what a freak
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No biggie, just curious what gave you the impression he was butthurt?
 
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fade route said:
An evaluation that can only be made 4 years from now
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barrylee said:
Why would you even think this? Anytime someone comes in with something positive, someone has to counter. Just one time I would love for a thread to make it 1 page without negas making an appearance..
I can only imagine what it will be like once play actually begins...
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So you only want to surround yourself with people who agree with you 24/7? Is it not possible for 2 people to just agree to disagree on things? Negavol, nega's is pretty childish
 
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Hacksaw said:
I was just talking to my Dad a couple of days ago about how unusual this freshman class seemed to be, both for how many seem to be getting immediate praise and also retention. We haven't lost any of them yet (that I can recall) to grades or attempted gas station robberies.
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Let's hope they don't get hungry for tacos
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
You're butt hurt, calm down.

Kamara- Don't you agree he was underutilized during his time at Tennessee?

Malone- Another player that was underutilized?

Dobbs- Great ambassador for Tennessee but what could have been if he had a true QB coach during his tenure here.

JRM- Had a great career here

Barnett- what a freak
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As far as Kamara, he wasn't good at pass protection his first year and Hurd was actually really good at that. Last year we were undefeated with Kamara and Hurd on the field at the same time minus SC. Don't really get the argument that he was under utilized.
 
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Behr said:
No biggie, just curious what gave you the impression he was butthurt?
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Just have a feeling he is, anytime something "negative" is stated on this board most go into defense mode. It was a simple question and now people are butt hurt see the post above I just responded to.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Just have a feeling he is, anytime something "negative" is stated on this board most go into defense mode. It was a simple question and now people are butt hurt see the post above I just responded to.
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You seem like the kind of guy that says "Kamara is underutilized" but if CBJ had pulled Hurd you would have lost it saying "How do you sit a guy that's so close from breaking UTs all time rushing record IN 3 (three) YEARS"

We forget that Hurd was a damn good ball player before he left.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
You seem like the kind of guy that says "Kamara is underutilized" but if CBJ had pulled Hurd you would have lost it saying "How do you sit a guy that's so close from breaking UTs all time rushing record IN 3 (three) YEARS"

We forget that Hurd was a damn good ball player before he left.
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Who was better suited for CBJ's system?
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
We are starting to look a lot like the west teams were we have guys in waiting that you don't even know their names until they get on the field plug and play style. Tennessee is on the verge of looking like a big time SEC program. In about two more seasons UT will be one of THOSE teams. I agree that Butch might not be able to last that long if he has a bad season. Pressure from the fan base (and frightened NON UT fans) is too great.
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Butch has recruited just like we needed him to. No complaints on my part there. However, he has had time to assemble his team. If the team disappoints this year, it's on him. No one else.

I don't expect a national title with a lot of new guys playing big roles, but we should have a team that at least has a chance to win something besides a bowl game - like the SEC East.

Next year, it will be time to be realistically competing for the SEC or a National Title. No more time for excuses. Two more seasons is too long. Sorry, I am patient, but there is no reason to be dumb about it. Butch can either coach, or he can't.

Edit: I am not saying fire Butch Jones if we don't win the East this year. I am just saying it is time to quit giving Jones the benefit of the doubt. If we lose 4 games this year, but breaks don't go our way, and we are fighting to the end, well that's football. Make up for it next year. However, if we lose 6 or 7 games, we have seen all the evidence we need.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Just have a feeling he is, anytime something "negative" is stated on this board most go into defense mode. It was a simple question and now people are butt hurt see the post above I just responded to.
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Okay, like I said, no biggie and was curious because it didn't seem that way to me.

I get it though. Say something positive, someone gets defensive. Say something negative, someone gets defensive. It's crazy right now.

The other night someone actually said they had never seen me post anything positive, just because I questioned a positive comment. Today someone generalized all positive people based on one persons comment that was just silly.

Sometimes I'm more interested in this side of VN than others.

Anyway, yada, yada, yada. Go Vols!
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Devils advocate again, why wasn't that production on display here? Is he not putting these players in the best position to succeed?
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Realist here, maybe those guys aren't as good as the recruiting gurus told us they were. How do some players develop (Barnett, Malone, Lewis, etc) beyond their projected level and others don't?

Bates isn't physical enough, Mac should have been redshirted and got into condition but couldn't due to lack of depth, Creamer wasn't a very good football player, Berry has great straight line speed and little else, Kelly Jr didn't have the speed to play SEC safety LY....
 
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BJWeeks said:
And supposedly Butch's worst recruiting class they said
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Nobody knows what it is at this point...may be great, may be average, may not be up to par. No way to know, though I'm glad to hear this from Coach Mathews. That said, Doug has stated, repeatedly, that Medley is an outstanding/one of the best kickers in the country, so take his opinion for what it's worth.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Valid points that have all been made before. The counter argument , also stated many times before, remains that the teams that are in the playoffs/NC games consistently have top 6-7 ranked classes 4-5 years in a row.

I'm all for a core of smart blue collar players. They can be coached up and win a lot of games they shouldn't. But if you want to consistently compete for titles then you have to recruit consistently too.

Having said that, I do hope the 17 class is a sleeper.
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I never said otherwise, the same points are brought all the time but some never let them sink in. It's a message board and I imagine that trend will continue. Bottom line I was getting at many on this board poor mouthed this class as terrible before it even went out into the field. GBO!!!!
 
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KBVol said:
Nobody knows what it is at this point...may be great, may be average, may not be up to par. No way to know, though I'm glad to hear this from Coach Mathews. That said, Doug has stated, repeatedly, that Medley is an outstanding/one of the best kickers in the country, so take his opinion for what it's worth.
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Inside the 40 he said
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
You're butt hurt, calm down.

Kamara- Don't you agree he was underutilized during his time at Tennessee?

Malone- Another player that was underutilized?

Dobbs- Great ambassador for Tennessee but what could have been if he had a true QB coach during his tenure here.

JRM- Had a great career here

Barnett- what a freak
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I only posted factual stats in reference to your post which, was questioning why the 2017 VFL NFL rookies didn't seem to show the same type of production at UT as they have thus far in the NFL. You are entitled to your opinion as to what those stats might mean and make any assumptions that you like about coaching decisions. No " butt hurt " here.
 
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8 wins is borderline bad yr. BTW. butch lives but I fully expect 9 wins or more. We are going to take some folks this year. Keep your eyes on the prize my friends. Alabama is the goal.


If it's going collapse as a season it will happen right out of the gates. If we outscore GT and then come back and win a dog fight with Florida... it's game on, anything is possible.
 
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I'm pretty sure he said the same about the 2016 class and the 2015 class. He'll say the same about the 2018 class too
 
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It appears that some of the posters here do not understand the recruiting evaluation process of CBJ. They do not, DO NOT, use the typical ratings that we see. They look for the potentials, cerebral understandings of football, academics, Athleticism. So if you are comparing the ****s to who is on this team, then you are behind the power curve. It is not what CBJ does and I think a lot of fans and pundits can't get past all the sports media rankings......which by the way.......how many 4star and 5star players actually work out in their first year of college? because.........not judging here, some of these gifted young men can't get their minds wrapped around an offense or defensive scheme............just saying.

I believe CBJ knows what he's doing, has he had some bad luck with injuries..........Heck ya! but one only has to look at Va Tech and Nebraska last year and see what a healthy Tennessee team can do. I believe the depth is deeper than last year, and I believe CBJ know he has a special team and made it a POINT! to keep media out of the practices for that very reason.

Go Vols!!!
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Valid points that have all been made before. The counter argument , also stated many times before, remains that the teams that are in the playoffs/NC games consistently have top 6-7 ranked classes 4-5 years in a row.

I'm all for a core of smart blue collar players. They can be coached up and win a lot of games they shouldn't. But if you want to consistently compete for titles then you have to recruit consistently too.

Having said that, I do hope the 17 class is a sleeper.
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That's not always the case; Tom Osborne won multiple natty's at Nebraska without top ten recruiting classes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Chip Kelly's classes being that high either.
 
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BACKDOC said:
That's not always the case; Tom Osborne won multiple natty's at Nebraska without top ten recruiting classes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Chip Kelly's classes being that high either.
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Were recruiting classes ranked, or high school players graded, when Tom Osoborne coached?

I thought all this recruiting hoopla was a much more modern invention.
 
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wmcovol said:
Butch's "system" has several players playing far above their draft level in the NFL preseason thus far....

This board and Vol fans everywhere would have lynched Jones if he'd passed on guys like Bates, McKenzie, Creamer, Kelly jr, and even the Berry twins. Facts are other than Evan's Kick return ability and a few INTS by Kelly, jr, the legacy players haven't done much at critical points in any game.
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Couldn't agree more. TKjr and Kmac are going to be great this year!

:)

Tennesseeduke
 
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Bigworm87 said:
As far as Kamara, he wasn't good at pass protection his first year and Hurd was actually really good at that. Last year we were undefeated with Kamara and Hurd on the field at the same time minus SC. Don't really get the argument that he was under utilized.
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You know who else didn't play much his first year at Tennessee way back when and his lack of pass pro ability was given as the excuse? Answer....Jamal Lewis. How'd that turn out? Kinda thinking Coach Fulmer and company should've found a way to get the ball in his hands a little earlier despite his apparent inability to be good in pass protection.

Fast forward to 2015 and 2016....what happened when Hurd quit last year and AK was "forced" into the lineup vs TAM?

I'll tell ya what happened.....Alvin Kamara- 18 carries, 127 yards, 2 tds; Alvin Kamara- 8 catches, 161 yards, 1 td....totals when Alvin was allowed to play and touch the football for the first time ..... 26 touches, 288 yards, 3 tds, and some proclamations by national analysts who called Alvin the best all-around running back in the country.

Additionally, prior to getting a chance to play when Hurd was still there, here are some of the games when AK was "underutilized"...

2015 Oklahoma game- Hurd 24 carries, AK 4
2015 Florida game- Hurd 28, AK 5
2015 Georgia game- Hurd 21, AK 7
2015 Bama game- Hurd 18, AK 5
2016 App State game- Hurd 28, AK 6
2016 VaTech game- Hurd 22, AK 3
2016 Florida game- Hurd 26, AK 2

If you're scoring at home, in just those 7 big, important games the last 2 years, that's Hurd 167 carries vs Kamara 32............could this be what people mean by a dynamic, future 3rd round NFL pick being severely underutilized in favor of a guy who quit the team, was clearly nowhere nearly as dynamic and who will likely never see an NFL field in his quest to become a WR?
 
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