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Considering the early success at Duke and what he was able to accomplish at Ole Miss. Is it reasonable to think that maybe Coach Cut was more responsible than we thought for our success in the 90's? He has performed well apart from Phil, while Fulmer has flopped without him.
 
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rexvol said:
Considering the early success at Duke and what he was able to accomplish at Ole Miss. Is it reasonable to think that maybe Coach Cut was more responsible than we thought for our success in the 90's? He has performed well apart from Phil, while Fulmer has flopped without him.
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We never lost to UGA when he was here
 
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Sounds more than reasonable. Let's see if a Coach Fulmer fan can pick this theory apart. I doubt it.
 
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I believe this is where they would head first, if Fulmer leaves or is fired. If this is the case, where does this leave Clawson?
 
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I think Cut is a good coach. Cut doesn't recruit well. If he did he would still be at Ole Miss. I do think his time at Ole Miss made him a little more flexible with his offense. Like a lot of OC's he had his stale moments during his first stint at UT.

It is apparent now that Cut offered a thorough, detailed oriented style to this staff that is lacking in his absence, but without Fulmers recruiting I don't think he will approach the type of sustained success he enjoyed at UT.

Synopsis: Phil lacks organizational skills that Cut has, but he profitted from Phil's recruiting.
 
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rexvol said:
Considering the early success at Duke and what he was able to accomplish at Ole Miss. Is it reasonable to think that maybe Coach Cut was more responsible than we thought for our success in the 90's? He has performed well apart from Phil, while Fulmer has flopped without him.
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Hold on, are you suggesting that the the "Get rid of Cutcliffe" posts so common on this very board were in error??????????? Not the brilliant minds of Volnation.......couldn't be possible. After all we were right about Randy Sanders.....or uh....mebbe not come to think of it. Dang, I don't know what to think any more. It can't be the actual players can it? Naw...can't be.
 
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im not so sure that cut cant recruit. qbs across the country want to play for him. and for an oc and qb coach, your not really expected to go get a middle line backer to come to ur school. u go find ur quaterback and maybe a reciever that you think fits your scheme. cutcliffe is a good coach, and gets everything he can out of his qb. i do not really like his playcalling as an oc that much though. too easily and early in a game he gives up on the run. he probably has a lot to do with the mediocre play of the o line in the run game the past couple of years.
 
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I might get blasted, but I think Strong would be a safe pick.

I think UT will roll the dice with their next pick. This one would be as safe as any if they plan to pick up a lessor name with good credentials. It would also be very good PR for the University following a few years of negative PR we have received regarding discipline and coaching speculation.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
im not so sure that cut cant recruit. qbs across the country want to play for him. and for an oc and qb coach, your not really expected to go get a middle line backer to come to ur school. u go find ur quaterback and maybe a reciever that you think fits your scheme. cutcliffe is a good coach, and gets everything he can out of his qb. i do not really like his playcalling as an oc that much though. too easily and early in a game he gives up on the run. he probably has a lot to do with the mediocre play of the o line in the run game the past couple of years.
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I'm not sure about other schools, but UT splits up their recruiting duties by geographical area more than position. Plenty of coaches on our staff recruit outside of their position or even side of the ball depending on which players are being targeted in their designated area.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
im not so sure that cut cant recruit. qbs across the country want to play for him. and for an oc and qb coach, your not really expected to go get a middle line backer to come to ur school. u go find ur quaterback and maybe a reciever that you think fits your scheme. cutcliffe is a good coach, and gets everything he can out of his qb. i do not really like his playcalling as an oc that much though. too easily and early in a game he gives up on the run. he probably has a lot to do with the mediocre play of the o line in the run game the past couple of years.
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Recruiting was the primary reason given for his firing at Ole Miss. It was reinforced when they hired coach O. They were more interested in recruits than x's and o's.
 
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rexvol said:
Considering the early success at Duke and what he was able to accomplish at Ole Miss. Is it reasonable to think that maybe Coach Cut was more responsible than we thought for our success in the 90's? He has performed well apart from Phil, while Fulmer has flopped without him.
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I would have to agree that coach Cut was a big piece of the puzzle when it came to the success at UT...It was like night and day on offense when he was here.
 
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coach cut killed our running game and schemed our offensive line into a bunch of guys that grab the defense for 2 seconds so ainge can get it out of there. he changed the mindset and somewhere these guys forgot how to run block. we used to have tough mean o lines that can run on anybody. now were lucky to get a 100 yards rushing collective in a game. there was no balance in his second stint at ut
 
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Lexvol said:
I think Cut is a good coach. Cut doesn't recruit well. If he did he would still be at Ole Miss. I do think his time at Ole Miss made him a little more flexible with his offense. Like a lot of OC's he had his stale moments during his first stint at UT.

It is apparent now that Cut offered a thorough, detailed oriented style to this staff that is lacking in his absence, but without Fulmers recruiting I don't think he will approach the type of sustained success he enjoyed at UT.

Synopsis: Phil lacks organizational skills that Cut has, but he profitted from Phil's recruiting.
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I agree with every part of this. Phil benefited from Cut's organization, detail, and discipline, while Cut benefited from Phil's recruiting talent. When you split the two apart, neither is as successful, but I think Cut took a bigger piece of the pie. He'll be on his way if he can get some ace recruiters on his staff or develops the ability to close like Phil can.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
coach cut killed our running game and schemed our offensive line into a bunch of guys that grab the defense for 2 seconds so ainge can get it out of there. he changed the mindset and somewhere these guys forgot how to run block. we used to have tough mean o lines that can run on anybody. now were lucky to get a 100 yards rushing collective in a game. there was no balance in his second stint at ut
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Haha, I know what you mean man, with weak worthless backs like Arian Foster who is sooooo close to being the all time rusher at UT yet is not doing so well since Coach Cut left, I can really really understand your logic and way of thinking :good!: Yeah, He really screwed up our rushing game :eek:k:
 
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rexvol said:
Considering the early success at Duke and what he was able to accomplish at Ole Miss. Is it reasonable to think that maybe Coach Cut was more responsible than we thought for our success in the 90's? He has performed well apart from Phil, while Fulmer has flopped without him.
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i really feel it was the combination of the three that was successful; without one, the others looked bad.

Now, you want something else interesting to look back on? Our production of yearly, big named, high drafted running backs stopped after randy sanders was moved from RB coach at the end of 97. All the rbs that have come in after that were ok but havent been nearly successful
 
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Coach Cut and Coach Chavis were the reasons for our sucess in the 90's.
 
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Rodney did what was best for rodney. It hurt our team. But it was a no brainer decision. Drive down the street to inner city atlanta and recruit. As opposed to being on the road for days on end. He sited being closer to his mother and family as another reason for leaving. In the end we could have forked out the money to have kept him. We didn't and it was a mistake that is still costing us today. I said when he got away it would hurt us long term. To many koolaid sippers at the time just didn't see it coming.
 
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Cartervol said:
Rodney did what was best for rodney. It hurt our team. But it was a no brainer decision. Drive down the street to inner city atlanta and recruit. As opposed to being on the road for days on end. He sited being closer to his mother and family as another reason for leaving. In the end we could have forked out the money to have kept him. We didn't and it was a mistake that is still costing us today. I said when he got away it would hurt us long term. To many koolaid sippers at the time just didn't see it coming.
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Fulmer thought he could live without Rodney. He also didn't trust him.
 
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Lexvol said:
Fulmer thought he could live without Rodney. He also didn't trust him.
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I know phil has a big ego, you know he does. I imagine at that time it was at a alltime high. Yeah, a whole lot of ego has gotten in the way of this program having more success, instead of status quo.
 
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