Clutch is Overrated!!!

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#151
Dbake005 said:
question... how does TS% work? Like, the formula/basis?
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(points/2)/(FGA+(FTA*.44)) = TS%

The basis is that FG% doesn't allow for proper comparisons because Pau doesn't shoot 3's and Kobe does, Shaq doesn't shoot FT's well, and Kobe does, etc. If all you shoot is 3's and your FG% is .400, you score as efficiently as a big who only shoots 2's and his FG% is .600.

TS% isn't exactly what they use in wins produced, but it's what's available on basketball-reference and ESPN. I'm not really sure why it's .44*FTA. My guess is that about 12% of FT's are from "and 1's". Either way, it's not exact math, but it's very close.
 
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#154
TBrown said:
Lolbron.
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I understand his philosophy, but you have to consider the player who you are dishing to. Terrible play. Especially since he still could have driven to the rim past Harris, who would be like a bug on a car with Lebron and a head of steam.
 
#155
#155
He drew the double team and dished it. Smart basketball play the shot just didn't go down.
 
#156
#156
Spartacavolus said:
Clutch pass to Haslam last night to end the game?
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17 points on 8 shots and only one miss in the 4th is clutch. Passing out of a double team to a guy who is wide open from the elbow (where he shoots decently) is the right thing to do.

Or do you disagree with fundamental basketball?
 
#157
#157
Spartacavolus said:
I understand his philosophy, but you have to consider the player who you are dishing to. Terrible play. Especially since he still could have driven to the rim past Harris, who would be like a bug on a car with Lebron and a head of steam.
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Are you kidding me? First of all, he was being double teamed by Paul Millsap and Josh Howard. Paul Millsap had great position. If Lebron goes right, he's playing into the double team. If he goes left, he's moving away from the basket, and with time constraints likely his only option is to take a fadeway with 2 defenders on him. Not a high percentage shot.
 
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nbakerld said:
Are you kidding me? First of all, he was being double teamed by Paul Millsap and Josh Howard. Paul Millsap had great position. If Lebron goes right, he's playing into the double team. If he goes left, he's moving away from the basket, and with time constraints likely his only option is to take a fadeway with 2 defenders on him. Not a high percentage shot.
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He could have powered to the goal with his left hand, or taken a hard dribble to further draw the D and let Haslam roll to the rim for a better shot.
Not a player or coach on the team wants Haslam to shoot the last shot from where he shot it.

And acting like Lebron can't beat a double team off the dribble is insulting to Lebron.
 
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#163
nbakerld said:
Before the big 3, Haslam had a larger role in the offense, and 15-17 foot jumpers were his bread and butter.
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Wanna bet he doesn't give the ball at that spot on the floor to haslam again when the situation arises? He had no idea the ball was coming his way. Jordan would tell guys to be ready for the double and be ready th shoot. Haslam was as shocked as anyone to get the ball.

It wasn't a good decision. That would probably have been about option #10 on a list.
 
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#165
Spartacavolus said:
Wanna bet he doesn't give the ball at that spot on the floor to haslam again when the situation arises? He had no idea the ball was coming his way. Jordan would tell guys to be ready for the double and be ready th shoot. Haslam was as shocked as anyone to get the ball.

It wasn't a good decision. That would probably have been about option #10 on a list.
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If only Lebron had reminded Haslem to be ready to participate in the game the outcome would've been different.....
 
#166
#166
nbakerld said:
If only Lebron had reminded Haslem to be ready to participate in the game the outcome would've been different.....
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Yes. If he would have said, Haslem, if they double, roll to the basket because I might hit you for a layup or j if its open, the game very well may have been a W.

He even said they don't talk about those possibilities in the huddle because they just react as the game happens and go with the best option. That's terrible planning and leadership and I've never heard a player say that before. Not leading your team by making sure everyone is on the same page isn't clutch.
 
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#167
You should go back and watch the play. Having just now watched it again, Haslem was clearly anticipating the pass and ready to shoot. I don't think you know what you're talking about. You claimed Devin Harris was guarding Lebron, and that Haslem wasn't ready for the pass. Go watch it again.
 
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#168
nbakerld said:
You should go back and watch the play. Having just now watched it again, Haslem was clearly anticipating the pass and ready to shoot. I don't think you know what you're talking about. You claimed Devin Harris was guarding Lebron, and that Haslem wasn't ready for the pass. Go watch it again.
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I saw the replay. Made a mistake on Harris. Who cares who shaded over.
Point is Lebron lolligagged into a passive double team and dished to their 5th option for a tweener jumpshot that many guards can't hit.
 
#169
#169
The standard some people want to hold lebron to is retarded. He made the right play.
 
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#170
Dbake005 said:
The standard some people want to hold lebron to is retarded. He made the right play.
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It's the right play if Wade or Miller or another SG is the receiver. That is my main point.
Opposing D's will give Haslem that shot from that spot every night. I don't think Jordan would have kicked there to Horace Grant for a game winning shot.
 
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#172
Dbake005 said:
Haters gon' hate. That is all.
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Thing is I don't even hate lebron. I really haven't liked kobe.
Watching Lebron back down from a challenge in the allstar game showed something though. I wish he would have backed everyone away and dunked it in Kobes grill, but he passed it twice, just as he did the other night.

Can't believe you guys think that shot was the better chance for them to win the game. You guys got too much love for Lebron to admit he would rather have that play over.
 
#174
#174
nbakerld said:
Usually if Kobe fails to get off 20 shots it's because he turned it over a lot.

4/15, 15 points, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal, 7 turnovers

What I don't get is virtually every Lakers fan will tell you they are struggling because their bigs have disappeared in games. They will never put the blame on Kobe.

Kobe has had 7 games where he shot below .500 TS% (league average is .530). He's had 6 games with 6+ turnovers. He's messing up big time basically once every 3-4 games. What's crazy is that his team has been able to win when he plays horribly. Out of his 10 poor performances, they won 7.

Those bigs are legit. In the games where Kobe struggled, Bynum put up 18 and 12 shooting .63 TS%, and Gasol did 17 and 10 shooting .56 TS%.

That's how they won 7 out of 10 with their "best" player sucking it up.
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I agree with you about Kobe, to a point. However, do you ever consider Kobe has to handle the ball more than anyone because he doesn't have a point guard?
 
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