Clemson troubles may impact more than recruiting

#76
#76
BJSforVols said:
The coaches lay at the feet of the AD. One coach being investigated may be considered an exception. When there is a trend amongst several coaches (Baseball, Basketball, and Football (Kiffin)), you have bad management from the AD.
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Actually being investigated by the NCAA would lay more at the feet of the Compliance office and not the AD.

However, the point is, MH is not a bad AD, and actually is a fantastic fundraiser and one of a minority of AD's operating in the black at this point while building facilities. Losing our AD to a smaller school is a black eye no matter how you look at it.
 
#77
#77
Smokeyshowl66 said:
Actually folks - we have systemic issues in our fine university and Mike Hamilton is representative of this. Do you realize the University has no code of conduct or code of ethics for administrators - atheletic department included. One of my former mentors at my current employer is on the development committee for the Business School at UTK. He told me this was mentioned to the Interim President and the Chancellor and they all looked at them with a blank stare. They don't even see a need for a code of conduct. Folks, when the academic world wakes up to this, things will change. Until then, Mike Hamilton is representative of what you get - no control, no standard, no class. Yes, the coaches manage the day to day - however, when they know the university has no standards and all they have to worry about is the NCAA - what do you think they're going to do? Yep - find a way to bend every rule in the book and break a few too if they think they can get away with it.
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You are living in a dream world if you think these two statements are correct. Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
#78
#78
volfaninwisconsin said:
Buzz was hired in 2001 I thought and Dickey didnt leave till 2002 . When all the stories about Kiffin playing USC videos in the complex and the the baseball coach are my 2 beefs with Hamilton . He couldnt fire Fulmer in 2005 because the money folks did not want him fired and only till the apathy set in during the 2008 season could he fire him then
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This makes no sense. No AD in the country would have fired Fulmer after the 2005 season.
2004: 10-3
2003: 10-3
2002: 8-5
2001:11-2

I know you guys hate Fulmer for your own reasons, and I totally understood the firing in 2008, but come on, that quote above is lunacy.
 
#79
#79
I am constantly amazed at the negative remarks posted about our athletic director, who is one of the best in the country. Many schools would love to have him. A lot of AD's would have let our football program continue in decline for many more years. Could there be one bitter person working behind the scenes to have these remarks posted?
 
#80
#80
thegeneralneyland said:
Regardless of how you feel about Mike Hamilton, losing him to a smaller school is another black eye we don't really need. A school with the brand and history of a UT doesn't lose an AD to Clemson.

I am not sure the Mike ruined football as you say, most AD's in this country would have kept Fulmer that long if not longer, and he made a mistake with Kiffin, that apparently many AD's in the country would have also made. Basketball and Baseball under investigation lays at the feet of the coaches.
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+1
 
#81
#81
gwworley said:
I am constantly amazed at the negative remarks posted about our athletic director, who is one of the best in the country. Many schools would love to have him. A lot of AD's would have let our football program continue in decline for many more years. Could there be one bitter person working behind the scenes to have these remarks posted?
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I'm with you. Some people here, who think they know way more than they do, make things up about balance sheets and what not in order for them to sound smart and to bash our AD. In reality they know that Hamilton is doing a good job, and that he is not going anywhere. These are the same people who bash Pearl like he made a personal attack on them and call for him to be fired. These same people enjoy making stupid comments on message boards in order to piss other people off and in some way grow their internet rep. It's kind of sad, but very true.
 
#82
#82
Tenacious D said:
Perhaps you should re-read my post, most preferably when sober or when your glucose levels have stabilized. I'll call your attention to the following highlights it provides:



I didn't catch the part where I said MH was solely - or even primarily - to blame for the violations of those who work for him....but that he was ultimately responsible, and rightfully, would be held accountable.



You failed to address this. Please do, in-line with your previous statements of how quickly and effectively he has dealt with the BP matters.



Conveniently, you failed to address these issues, as well. Each well-proven and easily verifiable instances representing a near-miraculous string of bungled calamities which MH has either caused or failed to prevent befalling UT, the UTAD, the program(s) it represent(s), or to anyone associated with or who cares for any or all of them. Please expound upon your thoughts on these particular matters, and in so doing, provide the necessary defense of your previous statements.



I neither said that he did it all on his own, nor do I believe that he should be singularly praised as having planned and/or successfully completed the renovations as such. Instead, I simply pointed to the work done for him, or outside of his direct involvement to bring them about - without denying his participation in that process. Of course, this is where our opinions have seemingly diverged, insofar as mine sought to remain both factually true and objectively stated.



So, do you remain to believe that you have this right - and everyone else has it wrong?


Could you promise that this will come true, now that I wished for it to occur, and against your earlier admonishment to avoid it? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
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Someone busted out their thesaurus and churched up their post to appear to be smarter than the person they are arguing with. :clapping:
 
#83
#83
thegeneralneyland said:
Actually being investigated by the NCAA would lay more at the feet of the Compliance office and not the AD.

However, the point is, MH is not a bad AD, and actually is a fantastic fundraiser and one of a minority of AD's operating in the black at this point while building facilities. Losing our AD to a smaller school is a black eye no matter how you look at it.
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Is this why USC fired their AD rather than their compliance department?
 
#86
#86
thegeneralneyland said:
Actually being investigated by the NCAA would lay more at the feet of the Compliance office and not the AD.

However, the point is, MH is not a bad AD, and actually is a fantastic fundraiser and one of a minority of AD's operating in the black at this point while building facilities. Losing our AD to a smaller school is a black eye no matter how you look at it.
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Hit me with your best shot and I will get over it. I think that Hamilton is a person of good character but an incompetent athletic director. The athletic program is in total disarray with the NCAA investigations in place. He hired the coaches that have given this university a black eye.

He has also ran off part of the rabid fan base that we had 10-15 years ago and now we have a stadium dressed in visiting team colors at our home games. They are selling the tickets to the people that really do not care about the program. You do not see this at the other major SEC programs. I have never seen as much blue at a UK game in Knoxville as this last year. And the Alabama game is now at a neutral site in Knoxville, Tennessee.
 
#89
#89
utmba93 said:
Just about anything you or MHF type about your dream pirate.
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I see. Will you find something new to complain about next year when you are proven wrong about this subject? Or will you continue to beat the same dead horse you have this year? :horse:
 
#90
#90
I have no problem with Fulmer getting axed when he did. I think it was the right time to do it. My biggest problem with Hamilton is the crazy contracts that he comes up with. 8 wins is an extension and raise for Fulmer prior to the 2008 season. Kiffin's buyout from us being $6M if we fire him, $800K if he is hired away. Todd Raleigh.
Pearl was the only good hire of his, and even that has somewhat of a black-eye on it at the moment.
I do like the fundraising and improvements to the facilities, but I do not believe that this is not possible without MH.
 
#92
#92
OaklandTnVol said:
I see. Will you find something new to complain about next year when you are proven wrong about this subject? Or will you continue to beat the same dead horse you have this year? :horse:
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I'll do whatever I please and the sooner you understand that the less embarrassed I will make you.
 
#93
#93
mkil5 said:
I have no problem with Fulmer getting axed when he did. I think it was the right time to do it. My biggest problem with Hamilton is the crazy contracts that he comes up with. 8 wins is an extension and raise for Fulmer prior to the 2008 season. Kiffin's buyout from us being $6M if we fire him, $800K if he is hired away. Todd Raleigh.
Pearl was the only good hire of his, and even that has somewhat of a black-eye on it at the moment.
I do like the fundraising and improvements to the facilities, but I do not believe that this is not possible without MH.
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It's easy to say the Kiffin hire was bad after the fact. I'm sure you are one of the many who loved the hire at the time.
 
#94
#94
BloodRUNZOrange said:
this shows how stupid m hamilton haters are. look at what he has done with our facilities in b ball and football during one of the toughest economic times in 70 years...jesus get over it. he has hired 2 great staffs the past 2 years and a awsome b ball coach...
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agreed. Because of all this I kinda have a feeling that MH will end up leavin on his own accord whenever that happens.
 
#95
#95
mkil5 said:
I have no problem with Fulmer getting axed when he did. I think it was the right time to do it. My biggest problem with Hamilton is the crazy contracts that he comes up with. 8 wins is an extension and raise for Fulmer prior to the 2008 season. Kiffin's buyout from us being $6M if we fire him, $800K if he is hired away. Todd Raleigh.
Pearl was the only good hire of his, and even that has somewhat of a black-eye on it at the moment.
I do like the fundraising and improvements to the facilities, but I do not believe that this is not possible without MH.
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It's best to think of fundraising in a active verb context. For example, it can be summed up like this.

Donors gave money to UT.
 
#97
#97
utmba93 said:
It's best to think of fundraising in a active verb context. For example, it can be summed up like this.

Donors gave money to UT.
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We are gonna need you to bust our your balance sheet and go into detail about how you know all that you think you do.
 
#100
#100
OaklandTnVol said:
We are gonna need you to bust our your balance sheet and go into detail about how you know all that you think you do.
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Hamilton didn't pay for the facilities. Donors did. He's the monkey holding the hat. It's not complex.

In fact, how much number crunching did that take? Unless, it's your point to disagree with who deserves credit for the upgrades.

Hamilton has overstated his role far too often to be forgiven by those who truly deserve credit.

He'll either go as the culprit of an 'AA investigation, leave voluntarily under pressure, or as the recipient of a long overdue pink slip. If he was worthy, his alma mater will hire him. That's the point of this thread. They don't want him. He can't find a job at a lesser program with which he has ties.

The market has spoken.
 
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