Clemson proves Tennessee football isn't dead

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FlyFishnVol said:
This is what I believe is happening to the fan base, like Butch Jones, you bought in to your own hype, Butch thought he could just go out there and hire the best coaching staff, but he forgot one thing, those men were loyal to him and they knew he didn't know football that well, and yes he might have been a consistent 7-9 win coach, but he thought he could excel by betraying his friends and hiring men who basically did not fit together. Some of the Vol Fans have done the exact some thing, you think the internet, sports media, NCAA Football Games, and your High School Football experience has made you some kind of expert on coaching Div I Football Players...........Butch is your mirror image, some of you, NOT all, have started to betray your loyalty and support this University, the players, and your own enjoyment of watching these young men and women play................I hope you like that fantasy world you built in your mind, but UT and all those athletes are not going to miss bad fans.
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What are you smoking today?
 
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volfannbama said:
Ok, guess I just dont understand why it took Dabo saying it, nothing has ever prevented Tennessee from being a good program, except Tennessee and that is where you will run into the problem. The tennessee admin / booster thing is a tangled mess that isnt really concerned with winning.

Also, the whole "little ol clemson" is just dabo talking. They are pulling some of the most elite talent in college football.

But glad it motivated you.
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Speaking of motivation.........Clemson boosters and alumni are very united and strongly support that university.
 
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Behr said:
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here, just curious what you mean by that. I mean, what do you see they've done that we haven't that shows they are that much more committed than we are?
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I've never been to Clemson but by all accounts there has been a serious financial commitment to their football success in recent years. I know the program as a whole has been pretty mediocre before the Dabo era and Clemson has invested in their facilities to the point that they are now considered among the elite in the country. I don't pretend to know the inner workings of Clemson's administration, much is evidenced by their success in a relatively short period of time. They have been willing to pony up the money to pay elite coaches and coordinators when they stayed pretty middle of the pack on financial outlay before. While UT has thrown money at the problem...a lot of the money for upgrades has come from outside boosters in exchange for influence and not necessarily investment by the university. Regardless of where the money has come from, we have an administration that has made very bad hires for a long time and not just coaches. There is a top down lack of accountability and not just for coaches, for ADs and Chancellors. The perfect example is after the national embarrassment of a HC search just last year that was all over the news, here we are forty something days into a OC search....and just because they are better at keeping the hiring process quiet, it has become evident that any master plan has failed. Somebody should have stepped in by now and said "make a decision already and be accountable for it"....especially after last years debacle. While probably nobody knows the exact inner workings of both administrations, appearances are everything and Clemson appears to be a well oiled machine and UT appears to be a dumpster fire right now.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Just let it go, Pruitt is not a dumpster fire hire, as you witnessed last night Bama missed his insight on defense. He will do it his way, and he will not make the same mistakes Butch did.
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Just because he is a great DC doesn't make him a great HC. I'm not saying the problem is all him, in fact I know that Fulmer bears some of the blame, but he has had plenty of opportunity to hire an OC.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I've never been to Clemson but by all accounts there has been a serious financial commitment to their football success in recent years. I know the program as a whole has been pretty mediocre before the Dabo era and Clemson has invested in their facilities to the point that they are now considered among the elite in the country. I don't pretend to know the inner workings of Clemson's administration, much is evidenced by their success in a relatively short period of time. They have been willing to pony up the money to pay elite coaches and coordinators when they stayed pretty middle of the pack on financial outlay before. While UT has thrown money at the problem...a lot of the money for upgrades has come from outside boosters in exchange for influence and not necessarily investment by the university. Regardless of where the money has come from, we have an administration that has made very bad hires for a long time and not just coaches. There is a top down lack of accountability and not just for coaches, for ADs and Chancellors. The perfect example is after the national embarrassment of a HC search just last year that was all over the news, here we are forty something days into a OC search....and just because they are better at keeping the hiring process quiet, it has become evident that any master plan has failed. Somebody should have stepped in by now and said "make a decision already and be accountable for it"....especially after last years debacle. While probably nobody knows the exact inner workings of both administrations, appearances are everything and Clemson appears to be a well oiled machine and UT appears to be a dumpster fire right now.
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Oh great !! You want them to hire an OC just so we can say we have one? SMDH !!!!!
 
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hmhawk said:
Oh great !! You want them to hire an OC just so we can say we have one? SMDH !!!!!
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lol..in case you haven't noticed, all of the elite OCs have been hired already.....and it took them 2-3 days to do it. Go SYDH right back into the hole it was in.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Eh. The last time Clemson was elite they were cheating their butts off. I've been to Clemson, SC. Nobody in their right mind would want to spend 3 or 4 years there unless they were getting paid and that's all the proof I need. IMO they're just doing what they did last time.
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I must not be in my right mind then. I wouldn't mind retiring in the area.
 
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Volfan76 said:
lol..in case you haven't noticed, all of the elite OCs have been hired already.....and it took them 2-3 days to do it. Go SYDH right back into the hole it was in.
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Just the ones you wanted are gone. There are still options available. Get out of the I WANT IT NOW mode and relax and play nice.
 
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hmhawk said:
Oh great !! You want them to hire an OC just so we can say we have one? SMDH !!!!!
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I don't think this would have happened at Clemson. Helton was under contract and I doubt WKU wanted to pay his buyout. Vols could have forced Helton to keep the seat warm until they have their man. Another option would have been to just fire Helton, eat part of the buyout, and publicly say the offense just wasn't coached well and we're going to scour the ends of the earth to find the right OC. We didn't do either. Maybe we saved a million.2 bucks on a buyout but we look like chumps.
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
Clemson having a a formidable machine of a program proves TN will be awesome again some day. Volnation logic at its finest.
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You are correct it does not prove TN will be back but the parallels between the programs are similar. Before this current run over the past few years with Dabo, Tigers were without a natty since 1981 I believe. The biggest problem has been with the administration at UT and their lack of commitment when it comes to football and hiring poor coaches.
 
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We have so many immature fans it’s embarrassing. They come on here and state their opinions as fact. Social media sure has elevated their importance and opinions of themselves. It’s just nonsense.
 
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hog88 said:
I must not be in my right mind then. I wouldn't mind retiring in the area.
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Clemson is to that area as PCB is to the FLA panhandle. Gotta put the trash somewhere. Now, if you had a more broad geographic area in mind, say...Cashiers/Highlands, then I get your drift.
 
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volfannbama said:
The last time we played them in 04 we lost. Twice in the 70s was a 2 point and 1 point game. Before that they were a cupcake on our schedule..... In the 30s. Lol
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333C9B61-CF18-48EA-8D46-D8F1D70F1E31.pngTook one the the all-time greats to beat them too!
 
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I came on the forum to gauge which side of the bi**hing I would be on today. I see it only took post #3, for the usual belly aching to show up.
 
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hog88 said:
Clemson's win didn't prove anything as far as the Vols are concerned.

BTW our program isn't dead.
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To me it did. Clemson last 5 year recruiting class ranking 11th in nation. Ut right behind them at 12th. If Clemson can beat bama the number 1 in recruiting rankings so can Ut with the right coach. Bama had better player rankings but Clemson beat them easily.
 
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cgrish said:
To me it did. Clemson last 5 year recruiting class ranking 11th in nation. Ut right behind them at 12th. If Clemson can beat bama the number 1 in recruiting rankings so can Ut with the right coach. Bama had better player rankings but Clemson beat them easily.
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Clemson proved it can be done, the Vols haven't proven squat in several years.
 
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I don't believe our facilities are "elite" anymore. They are very, very good yes. But places like Oregon, Alabama, Texas A&M, and Clemson have "elite" facilities. They have all surpassed ours.
 
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Hate Clemson. Dabo's a fake. They're part of the reason we've been so bad. Next time he comes on this side of the mountain to recruit, someone oughta slash his tires :)
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I don't believe our facilities are "elite" anymore. They are very, very good yes. But places like Oregon, Alabama, Texas A&M, and Clemson have "elite" facilities. They have all surpassed ours.
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247 had us ranked top 5 I believe in an article last month.
 
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How does the 2 top best teams in the nation playing each other prove anything about where we are?
 
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Below is a summary of the past 10 years of Clemson under Dabo Swinney, and yet again another perspective on the past and future of UT football.

Honest question: How many UT fans would be willing to endure a first three year start under Pruitt similar to Swinney's first 3 year start? Note that Swinney inherited a more solid program than Pruitt did. And then how many would endure another 4 years of "Clemsoning", before finally turning the corner into a national powerhouse?

Hypothetical question: How many UT fans would be willing to endure a first three year start under Pruitt similar to Swinney's first 3 year start, if they knew that the following years would result in one or more national championships?


Clemson under Dabo Swinney

Swinney inherited a stable, decent, not great, not horrible team (Bowden had been coach there for 10 years prior)
Bowden's Pre-2008 Record = A perennial 7-9 win team

2008 Record = 7-6 (interim coach)
2009 Record = 9-5
2010 Record = 6-7
Clemson was mediocre and/or kind of sucked up to this point
2011 Record = 10-4
2012 Record = 11-2
2013 Record = 11-2
2014 Record = 10-3
Clemson was good up to this point, but "Clemsoned" at least one time each year with one or more goofball losses.
2015 Record = 14-1
2016 Record = 14-1
2017 Record = 12-2
2018 Record = 15-0

Clemson's recruiting wasn't stellar, but did improve nearly every year under Dabo until the 2018 cycle which was nearly on par with Bama.



Tennessee Under Pruitt

Pruitt inherited IBJ's dumpter fire, an unstable program with a coaching carousel.
Pre-2017 record = 4-8 dumpster fire and the other typical drama under Jones/Dooley/Kiffin.

2017 Record = 5-7
2018 Record = TBD
2019 Record = TBD
2020 Record = TBD
2021 Record = TBD

Pruitt's second recruiting year has been better than his first recruiting year. Let's see if that continues, along with proven good coaching. If so, then there might be some hope for the future of UT football. If not, then....let's just hope we don't have to go down that path.


Clemson under Dabo Swinney

2009 Year
Record = 9-5
Losses
#13 Georgia Tech
#14 TCU
Maryland
South Carolina
#12 Georgia Tech (lost ACC Title game)

Notable wins:
#10 Miami



2010 Year
Record = 6-7
Losses:
#15 Auburn
#16 Miami
North Carolina
Boston College
Florida State
#17 South Carolina
South Florida

Notable wins:
#25 NC State




2011 Year
Record = 10-4
Losses:
Georgia Tech
NC State
#14 South Carolina
#23 West Virginia

Notable wins:
#21 Auburn
#11 Va Tech
#5 Va Tech (won ACC Title)


2012 Year
Record = 11-2
Losses:
#4 Florida St
#13 South Carolina

Notable wins:
#25 Auburn
#9 LSU


2013 Year
Record = 11-2
Losses:
#5 Florida St
#10 South Carolina

Notable wins:
#5 Georgia
#7 Ohio St


2014 Year
Record = 10-3
Losses:
#12 Georgia
#1 Florida State
#24 Georgia Tech

Notable wins:
Unranked Oklahoma in bowl game



2015 Year
Record = 14-1
Losses:
#2 Alabama (lost NC)

Notable wins:
#6 Notre Dame
#16 Florida St
#8 North Carolina (ACC Title)
#4 Oklahoma



2016 Year
Record = 14-1
Losses:
Pittsburgh

Notable wins:
#3 Louisville
#12 Florida St
#19 Va Tech (ACC Title)
#2 Ohio St
#1 Alabama (NC)



2017 Year
Record = 12-2
Losses:
Syracuse
#4 Alabama (lost NC)

Notable wins:
#13 Auburn
#14 Lousiville
#12 Va Tech
#20 NC State
#7 Miami (ACC Title)



2018 Year
Record = 15-0
Losses:
None

Notable wins:
#16 NC State
#17 Boston College
Pittsburgh (ACC Title)
#3 Notre Dame
#1 Alabama (NC)
 
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