Clear something up for me please.....

#26
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In this UTAD Civil War.....

who's on which side?

Call them the Haslam's and the Anti-Haslam's.

Does anyone know who is on which side and what kind of power they have?

it's an interesting question. and it's always been hard to know. things were so stable for so long thru the 80's, 90's and early/mid 2000's, there was never any struggle. Fulmer, Majors, Dickey, Haslam...all sang out of the same hymnal. other boosters didn't rock the boat, life was good.

the only thing that is known is that Haslam has had his hand in selecting AD's, Chancellors and coaches the last 10 years.

and there's zero doubt that having Schiano as the #1 pick was a haslam play. and everyone in that camp thought they were good... and then they weren't.

and the circus that has ensued....who knows, really, how the dynamics changed the last 5 days.

you had Davenport block Brohm's hire, at Haslam's direction? against his wishes? is she the one that's putting her foot down?

and now you have other boosters/administrators and fulmer blocking Leach's hire at Haslams bidding? or did currie finally tell haslam to stfu, and he went to go hire the best coach he could, as he should? and now he's being removed because he did go against Haslam? or is he just the guy that gets to fall on the sword as those boosters and fulmer try to wrestle away from haslam?

honestly, i don't think anyone knows for sure at this point.

my gut says this other group of boosters, and fulmer and other administrators have just seen enough, and this is the only play they could make, as they see things.

so we move on to the next move and see who actually is hired as AD..and head coach...that could tell you a lot about who won or is winning........

what is not in doubt....the collective "we" continue to lose.....and if for the right reason, i'm willing to go thru it to get to the other side of it.

there's fewer and fewer places for people to hide at this point though.

we're either at rock bottom, or it's definitely w/in sight.

you have to laugh at this point.....
 
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#27
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I think this is Davenport flexing her muscle and sending Haslam(s) a message. Just like she did on outsourcing. She will probably get fired but go down swinging.
 
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Known Good Guys:
AtlantaVol
Beaten down fans
Blackburn
Rich boosters who side with AtlantaVol


Known Enemies:
Jimmy Haslam
Bill Haslam
John Currie
Media that blames fans
Rich boosters that side with Haslams



Think I like, but not completely sure:
Tuesday
Bubba
Beaver
UTVolinExile
Clay Travis
Knucklehead Vol



Not Sure About:
Bev Davenport
DiPietro
Fulmer
Manning



Weird, but funny (no impact on Civil War):
Witch Doctor
Ape
 
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Currie was Haslam’s pick for AD.

he was, and Davenport served him up, as requested.

it would make sense that if she has finally said 'enough is enough' that she's picked her battle, and is willing to fight it.

of course, apparently the president and members of the BOT were present at the meeting with Currie this morning.

so it's also possible that she's now under new marching orders from them...'or else'....and that's how the university is handling the extermination of the haslam influence.

what is not known, and probably will never really be known, is did currie go rogue on UT or Haslam with the Mike Leach attempt?

i want....want...to think that these other boosters, UTAD officials and Fulmer are on the right side of this, and not just offering up Currie as the fall guy at Haslam's bidding.

that would be even worse than where we are now.

my gut says we reached a tipping point, and Tennessee is trying to take Tennessee back.

if fulmer is named interim AD, and we hire any of the names that we've been previously told were untouchable, then i think you can assume we wound up on the right side of this deal.
 
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Right now you have....

Party A-Haslam, Currie, & co.
Party B-anti Haslams
Party C-Fulmer

Fulmer played all sides angling to weaken Currie. He befriended Haslam, pushed the JG narrative with the fans, advised on who to interview, undercut those interviews behind the scenes.

No proof just my conspiracy theory.
 
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I think Davenport realized that this debacle of a coaching search has placed her position at UT, and her very career in jeopardy, and she's taking steps to try to save it. I hope it's the correct move, and that she picks the right replacement for Currie, but my confidence in her abilities is about as low as humanly possible.
 
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In this UTAD Civil War.....

who's on which side?

Call them the Haslam's and the Anti-Haslam's.

Does anyone know who is on which side and what kind of power they have?



I will attempt to help clear it up for you gator...


If you do get divorced, she is STILL your sister.
 
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I think Davenport realized that this debacle of a coaching search has placed her position at UT, and her very career in jeopardy, and she's taking steps to try to save it. I hope it's the correct move, and that she picks the right replacement for Currie, but my confidence in her abilities is about as low as humanly possible.

i agree. but it appears that since the president and BOT were involved in the meeting this morning with Currie, that she's at least free of the haslam influence in the hire.

that's at least a positive. it may also be that the president and BOT have "helped" her make the decision on who the interim AD will be, if not the permanent AD.
 
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Schiano was a Haslam hire? This doesn’t make sense?

Haslam pushes Fulmer out several years ago?

I think people are missing the double cross. Fulmer acts as if he has buried the hatchet with Haslam, advises, and waits for it all to fall in place.
 
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Wait a minute....for days we all have been calling for Currie's head, he's the problem in bed with Haslem, etc, etc. This hiring search is a cluster (which it is)

Now that he is fired, everybody is saying Currie is the anti haslem and was fired for not going along and doing what the Haslem's want. :wacko:

I have learned one thing from all this, you can't believe anything you see on here and believe anybody no matter how many join in and regurgitate the same story.

All this talk about Peyton being the problem and screw Peyton....none of you have a clue what's going on and who's doing what but yet we are all calling for heads to roll. If Currie was the (good) guy as is the narrative today then we just pushed for the firing of the only one that was for us. I know yesterday Currie was the bad guy and Fulmer was the savior, now Fulmer is the pro Haslem guy. :loco::banghead2::

You can't make this any worse if you had made it all up, this is nightmare. Dark times on Rocky Top, I hope we can get this disaster behind us in the next decade or two.
 
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Haslam is an old money booster with deep ties into the UT administration. Currie was a Haslam hire and a puppet for Haslam. Chancellor Davenport owes her position to Haslam.
The civil war is mainly between major boosters and Haslam along with his embedded cronies in the UT Administration.
The majority of wealthy boosters worked on a deal to hire a major coach (perhaps Gruden) thinking Currie and the Admin would go along. The ish hit the fan when Currie went rogue trying to covertly hire Shiano under the direction of Haslam. Shiano was nowhere on the radar of potential coaches to be considered, and to be financed by the other boosters. This underhanded move by Currie/Haslam was the beginning of civil war. The boosters contacted politicians, lit up social media and the fans revolted Sunday afternoon. The boosters have continued to apply pressure to stop Currie and get back on track with their plan to hire a great coach without Currie/Haslam. The UT admin is caught in the middle, beholden to Haslam and wanting the storm to settle. However, the storm has not settled. Currie being removed indicates the tide of the war is turning and perhaps the Administration is finally paying attention to the boosters and fans, putting Haslam in the back seat, while they pursue a coach with a credible AD in charge.
 
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Wait a minute....for days we all have been calling for Currie's head, he's the problem in bed with Haslem, etc, etc. This hiring search is a cluster (which it is)

Now that he is fired, everybody is saying Currie is the anti haslem and was fired for not going along and doing what the Haslem's want. :wacko:

I have learned one thing from all this, you can't believe anything you see on here and believe anybody no matter how many join in and regurgitate the same story.

All this talk about Peyton being the problem and screw Peyton....none of you have a clue what's going on and who's doing what but yet we are all calling for heads to roll. If Currie was the (good) guy as is the narrative today then we just pushed for the firing of the only one that was for us. I know yesterday Currie was the bad guy and Fulmer was the savior, now Fulmer is the pro Haslem guy. :loco::banghead2::

You can't make this any worse if you had made it all up, this is nightmare. Dark times on Rocky Top, I hope we can get this disaster behind us in the next decade or two.
the only ones pushing the narrative that currie was the good guy is the national guys. and that's because they're just putting out what they're told.

if currie went rogue, i'd bet it was rogue against UT, not haslam. if he did go rogue against haslam, and he's out because of it, and this is all happening because of that, then all of this awful, and we're worse off today than we were yesterday.

finding it difficult to believe though, that Fulmer, Anderson (among other boosters tired of haslam), BOT and President all have fallen in line with haslam all the sudden, to make this happen in the last 24 hours.

speculation on my part, hope as well.
 
#46
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In this UTAD Civil War.....

who's on which side?

Call them the Haslam's and the Anti-Haslam's.

Does anyone know who is on which side and what kind of power they have?

John Currie was hired essentially by Jimmy Haslam.

In Beverly Davenport's eyes, John Currie did not represent the "good ole boy" factions so she went along with Haslam's recommendation.

Now Currie is both Haslam's & Davenport's guy.

Currie was never sold on Butch Jones and rejects the call for an extension.

Charlie Anderson (Chair of the Athletics Board and perhaps the second most active football booster) drove a group of boosters that essentially demanded Butch's removal after the debacle in games 3-6 this year.

Currie and Haslam went along with this group and presented a united front all committing to do whatever it took to restore UT football.

Anderson and his group began working the Gruden angle with neither success or rejection. Ultimately, Gruden agreed to entertain a formal offer that never came.

While Anderson was working the Gruden angle. Other interests worked other angles (Frost, Mullen, Petersen, etc) however Currie and Haslam did nothing to tip their hands. Secrecy and waiting till the end of the season to hire someone was important because they had a different former Tampa Bay coach lined up to come and without those two elements to the search, their plan would be exposed.

At this point you have essentially two camps with some being willing participants and others being stooges:

- House of Haslam had Currie as a co-conspirator and had Davenport, DiPetrio and ultimately Manning possibly unwittingly in their corner.

- "The others" thought the first group was on board with them and didn't realize there was a problem until "Sabotage Sunday."

At this point "the others" coalesced as a group and began waging war. At this point everyone not in the HoH became an "other" and that includes all of us.

Davenport is apparently more savy than we expected because on Tuesday she began distancing herself from HoH, by leaking that she did not sign any MOU for Schiano. I suspect that The Others spent most of Sunday evening and Monday working her to show her why that alliance would ultimately be unwise for her.

By Wednesday she was fully out of HoH as demonstrated by her sabotaging the Brohm hire. I suspect at this point DiPetrio also decided to try to appear to be neutral. Peyton has been accused of all sorts of stuff. I'm not ready to crucify him yet, but its clear he has refused to publicly join "The Others" and by doing so, he's publicly still in HoH. What he's done behind closed doors, I have no clue. That's why I want us to let this play out before we decide about Peyton.

Once Davenport joined "The Others"; and let's be clear she joined only because she decided that was the avenue by which she could gain the most leverage and power; it was a matter of time. She would deny approval of Currie's desperation hire attempts and wait for him to screw up where she could save some severance money.

It appears Currie finally realized that he had screwed up on Wednesday night. He decided that his only possible play was to throw himself on the mercy of the fanbase and attempt to bolt HoH and go hire Mike Leach, someone he knew Haslam would have no power over, but someone the majority of the fanbase would support given what he had done to them over the past 96 hours.

Perhaps in doing so though, he gave Bev her out. If she in fact directly forbade him from making the trip or demanded his return and he did not do so, she now has cause of insubordination and the ability to distance herself from HoH completely. She can now fire Currie and absolve herself of any complicity or stooge status from the initial HoH conspiracy.

Ironically as soon as Haslam and Currie realized the trap had sprung the old narrative of Fulmer the back-stabber reappeared. This struck a cord with me because when he was first accused of that, he also was in alliance with Charlie Anderson who was done with Majors and didn't want to see Fulmer go to Clemson. Majors behavior allowed them to supplant him and perhaps, just perhaps that was not the Haslam agenda. Interesting that the same "back-stabbing" accusation has been used twice against Fulmer when he was involved in something happening that was out of order with the HoH.

So, Currie is out. Currie and Haslam blame Fulmer because he's an easy target and they don't dare publicly go after the power players in "The Others" the same way "The Others" didn't publicly go after HoH.

Who's on what team now? Here's my take:

- Joe D is not going to join a team. He's too close to retirement.
- Bev is on her own team, but she owes some allegiance to "The Others" so she'll support their moves so long as she doesn't feel they threaten her increased power.
- HoH is probably down to just the family and their purchased loyalists at this point.
- Peyton is probably trying not to be on a team at all after realizing he picked the wrong one to start with likely without fully realizing what was going on. He trusted the Haslams and Corker and he's likely second guessing that today and trying to stay out of the rest. If he wasn't willing to coach because he knew it would ruin his image, I can assure you he didn't willingly walk into this clown show.
- The rest are no doubt jockeying for position in different factions of "The Others". If they believe they've won an initial victory, it will be very hard to keep that many people all lock-in-step and the posturing within the sub-group will begin.

You asked who was on who's side, there's my opinion on how this is playing out...
 
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#47
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Starring Phil Fulmer as Luke Volwalker. In the end he will turn Darth Haslam back to the Light.:clapping:
 
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In this UTAD Civil War.....

who's on which side?

Call them the Haslam's and the Anti-Haslam's.

Does anyone know who is on which side and what kind of power they have?


It is starting to remind me of the old WCW/NWO wrestling feud.

Rather than just asking who is on which side, you also need to ask who switches sides back and forth as the circumstances change. If it was just one side against the other, it would have never gotten this sloppy.
 
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