Clay Travis says

[BeecherVol]

Clay Travis was on the sports animal last hour and said that successful coaches typically make a huge leap from year 1 to year 2. He then went on to say that if Butch Jones does not win 3 out of the last 4 games this season he might not be the answer. Do you agree?

Not really a stretch. He may win 6 this year and still not be the answer. Kind of an open ended statement.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I do not claim to be a football expert, but I am amazed at the total ignorance shown by many on these boards.

Anyone who had a clue about the shape our program was in should be extremely excited about the progress Coach Jones has made.

It is disgusting to see the constant attempt by some to search under every rock to dig up negative crap.

No one would have accomplished what he and his staff have in recruiting. The upgrade in quality of players brought in and committed, would be amazing for a winning program, but to get these players with our record over the past few years is beyond remarkable.

The attitude among our players and fans after all we have gone through is second to none.

It is baffling to see how anyone could throw out this negative garbage, which only makes success even harder, instead of spending time pushing the program rather than sitting around thinking up crap to pull it down.

Butch Jones and staff have done a great job. I support them, and there is not one coach out there I had rather have at Tennessee.

Nice Post....

 

[wmcovol]

Tennessee football in recent yrs was like the Titantic.....the program hit the iceberg with Fulmers last yrs. Many on the Titantic did not believe the rumors that the ship would sink. Many thought it was unsinkable. Many Tennessee fans were the same way.

The ship/program started taking on water and the first serious warning signs were taken by many as simply precautionary (2008 Fulmer's last yr). Some continued to party. Then it got serious and the ship started tilting downward (kiffin disaster). Alot started to look for lifeboats while some panicked and jumped into the freezing water. Last, the ship broke in half (Dooley) and while the remaining half of the ship actually leveled back out for a very short time, it quickly sank.

Jones took over the job of trying to raise the Titantic. Its a huge job.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

. . . if Butch Jones does not win 3 out of the last 4 games this season he might not be the answer. . .

So, using the logic I gained at my orange alma mater:

If he does not win three games he might not be the answer. So, if he does win three games, he might be the answer.

He either will or will not win three games.

Therefore he might or might not be the answer.

Brilliant.

 

[VolFootballlover]

Lol geeeeeez you guys are funny

 

[tm3]

Should Jones win out, as talent would suggest, he would do the exact same thing from year one to year two.

I do believe that anything less than a bowl game this year would be troubling, but it would still be inconclusive. UT is doing a few things that are unique alone, and unheard of in agregate: replacing all of both lines, while playing the most freshmen in college football, while playing the most difficult schedule in college football. Taken in sum, that might suggest that more patience is needed even if the nightmare scenario presents itself where we miss a bowl game again.

Thanks for confirming with your data my assumption that, based on talent, UT should win out.

You have also confirmed my assertion that, while rated talent is the most important factor, there are other factors that play a role.

CBJ has the difficult part of the schedule behind him, he has his personnel issues ironed out (correct fit at QB, apparent correct fit on O line), the freshmen are no longer inexperienced, and the most important factor of all is in place ie he out-talents the rest of the schedule.

No reason to not win 3 of 4, with running the table very likely.

 

[orange_iv]

Fisher's second year at Florida State (2011) they went 9-4.

That is after coming off a 10-4 season.

The answer to my question is actually -1. That means that Fisher's second year performance was worse than his first, and he is the one wearing a big-a&& national championship ring on his finger, while Mullen is in year six with no SEC west championships, SEC championships, or national championships.

In my view is highly unlikely that Mullen wins out, and turns that current number 1 ranking into a playoff birth. They still have to play Alabama and Ole Miss away. Both teams are more talented across the board. I would be shocked if MSU does anything more than 1-1 in that stretch.

But that is my point, that the correlation that Clay Travis is creating is a weak one at best. It is like saying that all SEC championship coaches are white, therefore hiring a non-white coach means a team won't win the SEC championship. While there might be a correlation, that is far from causation.

Same with Fulmer.

1994 record (8-4) was worse than 1993 record (9-2-1) - it didn't prevent him from winning SEC and national championships.

Yep I shoulda checked my facts a little better and I stand corrected. However, I still don't think fisher and fulmer are good comparisons. They both took over fairly successful programs not a 5-7 team with tons of room for improvement. And right now I would take a 4 loss season anyday.

 

[daj2576]

Yep I shoulda checked my facts a little better and I stand corrected. However, I still don't think fisher and fulmer are good comparisons. They both took over fairly successful programs not a 5-7 team with tons of room for improvement. And right now I would take a 4 loss season anyday.

I am simply showing that this idea that all successful coaches take steps forward in year 2 is a myth. Here are two coaches who both won national championships who went backwards in year 2, being compared to coaches who are called successful but have no such resume. My point is that when trying to divine long term success that Travis' s conventional wisdom is incomplete if not totally flawed.

 

[ajvol01]

I do not claim to be a football expert, but I am amazed at the total ignorance shown by many on these boards.

Anyone who had a clue about the shape our program was in should be extremely excited about the progress Coach Jones has made.

It is disgusting to see the constant attempt by some to search under every rock to dig up negative crap.

No one would have accomplished what he and his staff have in recruiting. The upgrade in quality of players brought in and committed, would be amazing for a winning program, but to get these players with our record over the past few years is beyond remarkable.

The attitude among our players and fans after all we have gone through is second to none.

It is baffling to see how anyone could throw out this negative garbage, which only makes success even harder, instead of spending time pushing the program rather than sitting around thinking up crap to pull it down.

Butch Jones and staff have done a great job. I support them, and there is not one coach out there I had rather have at Tennessee.

Great post!

:good!:

 

[ajvol01]

Tennessee football in recent yrs was like the Titantic.....the program hit the iceberg with Fulmers last yrs. Many on the Titantic did not believe the rumors that the ship would sink. Many thought it was unsinkable. Many Tennessee fans were the same way.

The ship/program started taking on water and the first serious warning signs were taken by many as simply precautionary (2008 Fulmer's last yr). Some continued to party. Then it got serious and the ship started tilting downward (kiffin disaster). Alot started to look for lifeboats while some panicked and jumped into the freezing water. Last, the ship broke in half (Dooley) and while the remaining half of the ship actually leveled back out for a very short time, it quickly sank.

Jones took over the job of trying to raise the Titantic. Its a huge job.

Nice analogy

 

[smokey0625]

You're kidding yourself if you think that. He was responsible for more of their ratings than the other two guys.

He clearly is a success. You guys wanna hate because he doesn't slurp at the altar of UT, but he is doing okay, it would seem.

They did not bring him back. Clay Almighty said it himself. They offered him a $5000 raise and he laughed at it because it wasn't even comparable to other offers. He wrote a long piece describing what happened. Dude know what you're talking about or you sound stupid.

 

[smokey0625]

He stepped down from 104.5 because of his role with fox sports

No he didn't. They offered him a laughable raise and he stepped down. He's taking a year off and focusing on his website and fox before signing anywhere else. Read his article that he wrote about it and he explains it. But he did not leave to focus on fox, it was because Cumulus or whoever the company that runs 104.5 did not want him back based on a $5000 a year raise they offered him.

 

[daj2576]

No he didn't. They offered him a laughable raise and he stepped down. He's taking a year off and focusing on his website and fox before signing anywhere else. Read his article that he wrote about it and he explains it. But he did not leave to focus on fox, it was because Cumulus or whoever the company that runs 104.5 did not want him back based on a $5000 a year raise they offered him.

His "time off" is due to a non-compete clause, at least part of the time off anyway. That and what other radio station would he be on in Nashville?

 

[Carl Pickens]

I'm glad he's gone. I grew tired of his BS antics

 

[jarhead]

Well I see the douchebag has folks talking about him. I'm sure that regardless of which locker room he's hanging out in...he's smiling.

 

[mcompton]

Well I see the douchebag has folks talking about him. I'm sure that regardless of which locker room he's hanging out in...he's smiling.

This

 

[DonnieFootball]

Yeah good coaches makes strides in year two IF they inherit a good roster. People truly do not realize the sh*t storm Butch Jones inherited. Holes in our recruiting classes and lack of depth, no wonder we were turned down by so many others. Butch Jones can not be judged until year four. That's when we get rid of all of these Dooley recruits and have our roster finally back in order.