Clay Travis says

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Wylo said:
1. The defense didn't "wear down" against Alabama. They gave up 27 straight points in the first quarter+. Stop with that tired excuse.

2. Florida has one of the best defenses in the SEC? Seriously? Mizzou and Kentucky laugh at that. Only Tennessee made them look like one of the best defenses in the SEC.
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100% with you on point #1.

However, Florida has the #3 defense in the SEC behind OleMiss and Alabama and they're #12 nationally.....they have a very good defense. I'll give you that Kentucky put up 30 pts on them (although they only allowed 81 yds rushing, 2.5 ypc,). Also, Missouri only had 7 first downs and 119 total yds in a 42-13 win. They didn't do much of anything vs Florida's defense, did all their damage with special teams and defensive tds.
 
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lonelawyer said:
Clay Travis was on the sports animal last hour and said that successful coaches typically make a huge leap from year 1 to year 2. He then went on to say that if Butch Jones does not win 3 out of the last 4 games this season he might not be the answer. Do you agree?
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Given the attrition this program has suffered I'll say if Butch doesnt win 8 games next year he will be toast.
 
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KBVol said:
100% with you on point #1.

However, Florida has the #3 defense in the SEC behind OleMiss and Alabama and they're #12 nationally.....they have a very good defense. I'll give you that Kentucky put up 30 pts on them (although they only allowed 81 yds rushing, 2.5 ypc,). Also, Missouri only had 7 first downs and 119 total yds in a 42-13 win. They didn't do much of anything vs Florida's defense, did all their damage with special teams and defensive tds.
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Ky just put up 500 yds against the #1 team and yes, Fla's D is legit, full of NFL players. VH III will be top 10 pick most likely, they just stink on offense bc their HC was too stubborn to play the backup QB that gives them a spark.
 
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Check out Beamer's record at Virginia Tech. They stayed with him and had great results. I wish Vols would totally commit to Butch - extend his contract now and lock him in. Travis is just blathering nonsense and drawing a check. Whether Butch goes 5-7 or 7-5 this year does not indicate how far he can take the program in coming years. It will take 2 more recruiting classes to square off toe to toe with the powers of the SEC and Jones can get it done. No I cannot think of a similar fiasco than the Fire Fulmer - Hire Kiffin/Dooley for 4 years and run the program totally into the ground deal that Butch inherited. Give the man 7 years minimum and reward his efforts.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
I did not bring spurrier up, someone else did about how long it took him to start winning at USCe. I pointed out that he already had a proven track record.

Also, since you want to use 1 game to point to Jones' coaching, I will remind you of Dooley running his "championship" team out of the stadium.
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Funny how you ignore talent when it supports your argument.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
Spurrier won the ACC title in year 3 and went 7-3-1 his second year. I would say Spurriers schedule was easier, but when do you expect that the rest of the SEC will come down to Jones' level, genius?
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So, Jones is in year 1.5, has to play several top 15 (3 Top 4) teams with no upperclassmen, a bunch of freshmen and you expect an SEC title, because Spurrier did it at Duke three decades ago????

And I'm the genius? OK. I actually expected some intelligent conversation, guess I was wrong. Good day!:hi:
 
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FEARinSEC said:
So, Jones is in year 1.5, has to play several top 15 (3 Top 4) teams with no upperclassmen, a bunch of freshmen and you expect an SEC title, because Spurrier did it at Duke three decades ago????

And I'm the genius? OK. I actually expected some intelligent conversation, guess I was wrong. Good day!:hi:
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Let me spell it out for you. Spurrier had a proven track record before he started coaching USCe both with a program that has never won, and in the SEC with Florida. He was a proven winner of beating good teams, so when he took over USCe, it makes sense to be patient with him. I have said nothing about the expectations for Jones this year or next. I have only pointed out that Jones' previous record is very suspect and his coaching so far at UT is too. The odds are he is not going to learn on the job in the SEC, but you guys can keep hoping. I sure hope he does, and the USCe win last year was a positive, but they are offset by Vandy and Florida last year, and Florida this year. His track record is very poor against good teams, and I am not satisfied with being better than Dooley, moral victories, not quitting, and slogans.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Justin Hunter played with a torn ACL, huh?
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I will give it up for you on this one, looks like we see a pattern of Jones team getting lit up by a single WR. He just allowed cooper to set the school record against UT. I guess it is all part of the process.
 
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Surprised you could understand anything he said... since clay speaks out of his ass, every time I hear him it just sounds like peter from family guy farting over and over. :shaking2::shaking2::shaking2:
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
Let me spell it out for you. Spurrier had a proven track record before he started coaching USCe both with a program that has never won, and in the SEC with Florida. He was a proven winner of beating good teams, so when he took over USCe, it makes sense to be patient with him. I have said nothing about the expectations for Jones this year or next. I have only pointed out that Jones' previous record is very suspect and his coaching so far at UT is too. The odds are he is not going to learn on the job in the SEC, but you guys can keep hoping. I sure hope he does, and the USCe win last year was a positive, but they are offset by Vandy and Florida last year, and Florida this year. His track record is very poor against good teams, and I am not satisfied with being better than Dooley, moral victories, not quitting, and slogans.
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This is a valid argument and I do agree spurrier was more accomplished based on his UF experience. However, I'm not sold on the duke accomplishments. The acc was garbage in the late 80s. The year he got a share of the acc championship they went 8-4 with losses to UT, USCe, NC state (who lost 5 of their last 6), and tx tech in a bowl game. The only big win that year was against Clemson.
 
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orange_iv said:
This is a valid argument and I do agree spurrier was more accomplished based on his UF experience. However, I'm not sold on the duke accomplishments. The acc was garbage in the late 80s. The year he got a share of the acc championship they went 8-4 with losses to UT, USCe, NC state (who lost 5 of their last 6), and tx tech in a bowl game. The only big win that year was against Clemson.
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I am not saying its the greatest accomplishment, but how many ACC titles has duke ever won. Look at their records before and after. It would be similar to taking vandy and winning the sec east in 3 years. Duke has been as bad in the ACC as USCe in the SEC, so that is the comparison. Proven track record of winning at a program that has sucked historically, so being patient with him makes sense.
 
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Disagree. ANY successful coach would struggle their 1st couple years if they inherited the DISASTER that CBJ did. He WILL get us back to where we belong. Next year is his year to show a vast improvement. Not this year. :hi:
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
I thought they were paying him 3 million a year to win. You are not going to out talent the top teams in the SEC, so you are going to have to out coach them from time to time, or you will just keep getting moral victories, and excuses like the team didn't quit, etc.

The hope of the Jones' lovers is that he beats all the odds and learns how to win in the toughest conference and with usually a top 5 toughest schedule, with a total of 3 wins ever in his entire career on the road against teams above .500. All 3 of those teams were 7 and 6. I do not like those odds.
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You keep quoting this, but how many did he play on the road?? 6 maybe so he won half those games??? Where was he??? Oh yea Cincinnati and C.Michigan. Oh and the Nick Saban at Toledo reference in 1990 his SOS was 106th out of 107th. Before you tell us Jones' lovers to know our facts, you might want to know them 1st!!!!
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daj2576 said:
Please don't let win/loss records fool you. If that was the case, teams like Utah State would be likely losses for Jones every year, right? Looking only at wins loss records is fools gold and isn't as strongly related to other wins and losses as other variables. Recruited talent being the biggest single factor in predicting wins and losses.
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I concur re rated talent being the most important single predictive factor (see my sig line). But, it isn't the only thing. If it were, Fulmer, Zook, and likely Weiss would still be head coaches. Player development and utilization, X and O's, and in game decisions are also going to effect the win column -- and CBJ's performance in these areas has raised some questions (unlike his recruiting).

But strictly on a talent level, DAJ, how many of the last 4 should UT win?
 
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