Clay Travis On Bray

#51
#51
Wow...I feel like I am being pulled to the dark side but I thought this was spot on.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Pretty decent point. However the offense sputtered when Simms came in against Memphis.
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I agree Simms had a chance the first posession he was in to take them down for a score and he looked bad. After that they pretty much ran the ball but if that was the worst defense we have played they still were able to stop Simms pretty easily.
 
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Smokeyman said:
3 hour lunch on 104.5 is solid. Those 3 guys have brought the best daytime talk show I've heard yet.

I've never seen more, 'He's garbage, a complete moron, doesn't know hole in ground from arse' statements coming from people just because his opinion is different from your worldview of da Vols.

Try not whining and sticking your bottom lips out as soon as you hear something you don' want to and countering with some semblance of intelligent discourse.

Ya Mokes
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What ------- language are you speaking? Ya da Mokes don' WTF!!!! Please tell me you were schooled in Bammer!
 
#56
#56
CT just stole the 50 unanswered from Sportscenter. It is a commonly accepted term meaning we scored 50 straight without them scoring between. Most of what he wrote is true, but he could have worded it differently. Dont agree with the unfair to Simms part though. Simms has had plenty of chances. He had a great chance against UAB and almost blew it. If he hadn't learned to get rid of the ball within a couple of minutes after the snap(or at least move around in the pocket) in 8 games, why would anyone expect him to now. As far as him saying he wouldnt talk bad about Les Miles, let Les pull another one of his clock management fiascoes and see how quick CT changes his tune.
 
#57
#57
So let's look at what ol Clay had to say (didn't mean for that to rhyme).

Tennessee freshman Tyler Bray throws for five touchdowns and 300 yards in the first half vs. Memphis.

This is fact. No disputing it.

The Vols went on to win 50-14, scoring 50 unanswered in the process. If you're a Memphis football fan -- I think there are three -- it might be time to disband the program. You just got half a hundred hung on you by the worst Vols football team, potentially, in history.

A whole lot of nothing here.

I've been tough on Herr Dooley, but he was smart in making this decision to go with Bray over Matt Simms. If for no other reason than it fundamentally alters the narrative of the season. Even if it's unfair to allow one quarterback, Bray, to put up huge numbers against awful defenses while leaving the original starter, Simms, to take a beating against some of the nation's best teams, perception makes it worth it.

Who cares if it's fair or not. College football is not communism or socialism. You do what's best for the team. Could have done without this narrative.

Fans can be distracted like children on Christmas morning. Dangle a new quarterback in front of them and everything that happened before vanishes. The fan conversation shifts from: "God, we suck," to "we're going to be so good next year." That's doubtful unless Bray can also play defensive tackle, but there's no doubting the narrative has changed in Knoxville.

Ahh perfect. He decides to make fun of the fans. The same fans who listen to his show, create his ratings,which draws his ad revenue which pays his salary. Of course you'll have some kneejerk reaction to what happened but if he actually paid attention I think he'd see a small portion claiming Bray as the next Peyton, but a larger portion who said they saw potential in him and can't wait to see how he does against better competition.

As the Vols come down the home stretch, if Bray can win three more games against weak defenses, he gets the team bowl eligible. Then Dooley can sell the future to recruits. Even if Bray doesn't win all four, fans are still going to believe he's the second coming of Peyton Manning. The same praise was heaped upon Erik Ainge and Casey Clausen.

We'll see whether Bray's is more justified, but we won't know for at least another year. In the meantime, credit to Herr Dooley for altering the narrative.

So to sum it up, Clay, let's wait and see how Bray does to judge whether or not he's good. Wow, that was insightful and profound. I'm glad I read that because it's so different from what the shiny object distracted fans on Volnation.com have been saying since Saturday night. Thanks for clearing that up for us buddy. Give me a break.
 
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Smokeyman said:
False, wrong again. Suggest a dictionary for the term "unanswered."

I think Travis makes a good point. We're still gonna be a team that struggles for .500 next year. Long ways to go yets fellow Vols... Saban leave for Dallas yet?
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Ugh...

Fine, how about "something which they did not act or move in response to". They responded to our last field goal with their last touchdown. Just because you've heard a saying for a long time doesn't make it correct.

I was just giving a thumbs up to the poster who pointed that out because it is exactly the type of thing Travis would do if he'd thought of it.
 
#59
#59
Ehh...

I've been very impressed with Dooley's Bray plan. To pretend as though Simms was simply used in this situation is ridiculous. He had every opportunity to perform.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Nothing Travis said is false.
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Cows have utters. Herr Obama is employing economic policies that parallel those of 1930's fascism. Commodity prices are rising. Genetic research may some day cure cancer.

Nothing I said was false. That does NOT mean that I made a relevant point or that I didn't take a gratuitous shot at someone I have a bias against.

FWIW, he WAS wrong. He was wrong because he jumped to the conclusion that Bray was inserted as part of master plan to distract fans and media... which probably more specifically means HIM. The reason that is so obviously false is that Bray relieved Simms vs USCe and earned the start. In fact, they had been working him into live action for 3 weeks prior to this start. So Travis' self-centered assumption that DD was just trying to change his "narrative" (a trick he isn't about to fall for) is nothing more than the product of someone who is far too impressed with himself.

IOW's, if you state a false premise then pile a bunch of "facts" on top of it transmitted in a de facto, dismissive tone... the whole thing is false because the premise is false.
 
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head1 said:
And its damn hilarious how people on here turncoat. Clay was the greatest ever before he turned on Dooley now hes an idiot, good for nothing.

He tells it like it is. Sorry but I actually enjoy someone not sugar coating a turd when they write their article.

Until Dooley and the staff prove him otherwise, hes right.

Take off the orange glasses and you might see the facts.
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I agree with you for the most part, and said the same things when writers piled up on CLK.
But CT is just an attention grabber. He is nothing more than a fan who was been able to get a platform. His questions to Tebow last year were out of line and nothing more than a stunt to get people to click on his article.
The dissappointing thing is he didnt have to do that he is a talented writer I enjoyed both of his books and enjoy some of his commentary but many times he gets carried away.
 
#62
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Lexvol said:
Ehh...

I've been very impressed with Dooley's Bray plan. To pretend as though Simms was simply used in this situation is ridiculous. He had every opportunity to perform.
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Exactly. It seems pretty obvious that they tried to coach him to distribute the ball better and to stop taking sacks. He could have put a strangle hold on the job and didn't do it.

I expected him to. I don't honestly think it is physical. He simply didn't get alot better and Bray caught him.
 
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sjt18 said:
Cows have utters. Herr Obama is employing economic policies that parallel those of 1930's fascism. Commodity prices are rising. Genetic research may some day cure cancer.

Nothing I said was false. That does NOT mean that I made a relevant point or that I didn't take a gratuitous shot at someone I have a bias against.

FWIW, he WAS wrong. He was wrong because he jumped to the conclusion that Bray was inserted as part of master plan to distract fans and media... which probably more specifically means HIM. The reason that is so obviously false is that Bray relieved Simms vs USCe and earned the start. In fact, they had been working him into live action for 3 weeks prior to this start. So Travis' self-centered assumption that DD was just trying to change his "narrative" (a trick he isn't about to fall for) is nothing more than the product of someone who is far too impressed with himself.

IOW's, if you state a false premise then pile a bunch of "facts" on top of it transmitted in a de facto, dismissive tone... the whole thing is false because the premise is false.
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Actually, one thing you said was false, unless you have alien (or at least, very sick) cows that is. Cows have udders, not utters.
 
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head1 said:
And its damn hilarious how people on here turncoat. Clay was the greatest ever before he turned on Dooley now hes an idiot, good for nothing.
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Straw man. Some of us care only slightly more about what CT has said than we did before this article.

He tells it like it is. Sorry but I actually enjoy someone not sugar coating a turd when they write their article.
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No. He does not "tell it like it is". He may "tell it like he sees it" or even more "tell it like you want to hear it" but he has developed a bias evident here and in previous articles against Dooley that all but assures that he will not objectively "tell it like it is". He even admits he has been biased.

When someone uses terms like "Herr Dooley"... you can be relatively certain that objectivity was NOT part of the process.

Until Dooley and the staff prove him otherwise, hes right.
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Ummm. NOPE. Until CLAY proves himself right, he is wrong. It is the responsibility of the one making a criticism to justify it. It is not the responsibility of the one being criticized to refute every criticism no matter how poorly founded.

This is the old "when did you stop beating your wife" type of "journalism". You took the bait.

Take off the orange glasses and you might see the facts.
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That is laughable. You assume the worst of DD, accept a very poorly constructed criticism of him as "fact", and then lecture others about letting their biases blind them?
 
#68
#68
Clay Travis is an idiot. Must all of volnation has lost all respect for him, I know I did.
 
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head1 said:
And its damn hilarious how people on here turncoat. Clay was the greatest ever before he turned on Dooley now hes an idiot, good for nothing.

He tells it like it is. Sorry but I actually enjoy someone not sugar coating a turd when they write their article.

Until Dooley and the staff prove him otherwise, hes right.

Take off the orange glasses and you might see the facts.
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Go back to smoking your pipe, head. The QB position is one area where I think Dooley has played it very smart. he let the more experienced player start against the tough, early part of the schedule.

If Sims had performed well, he would have secured the job. But, he was pedestrian, which allowed Dooley to start Bray once the schedule softened. Bray has a dynamic that Sims simply doesn't have (and started showing it against USC, not memphis) and Bray will play the majority of the snaps the rest of the way.

By holding Bray back until (1) he was ready and (2) he wasn't going to get eaten alive against superior competition and a youthful offense, Dooley saved his confidence. Smart move IMO.
 
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sjt18 said:
Cows have utters. Herr Obama is employing economic policies that parallel those of 1930's fascism. Commodity prices are rising. Genetic research may some day cure cancer.

Nothing I said was false. That does NOT mean that I made a relevant point or that I didn't take a gratuitous shot at someone I have a bias against.

FWIW, he WAS wrong. He was wrong because he jumped to the conclusion that Bray was inserted as part of master plan to distract fans and media... which probably more specifically means HIM. The reason that is so obviously false is that Bray relieved Simms vs USCe and earned the start. In fact, they had been working him into live action for 3 weeks prior to this start. So Travis' self-centered assumption that DD was just trying to change his "narrative" (a trick he isn't about to fall for) is nothing more than the product of someone who is far too impressed with himself.

IOW's, if you state a false premise then pile a bunch of "facts" on top of it transmitted in a de facto, dismissive tone... the whole thing is false because the premise is false.
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Yeah, but most of their utters are just "moo".
 
#75
#75
NeylandArmy said:
Clay Travis really is a douche bag. I would like to throat punch him.

to clarify. a journalist should not be calling out a fan base. after all, it is typically that fan base that reads this drivel.
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I thi k it's perfectly fine to call out a fanbase. Ut fans are very up and down. When were winning they're the greatest fans around when we lose they call for everyones head from top to bottom. I think that he understated why bray was put in for sure and that Dooley saw more than recruiting and saving his own rep In makin him the starter though but it's definately an easy assumption to make seeing as simms wasn't an awful qb. He might not have the skillset that Tyler does but he wasn't the main reason we lost all those games. Our lack of depth and experience coupled with a smaller slower team than in years past is the primary reason. But I don't think throat punching a reporter is called for and really only strengthens the points clay made about our fans.
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