Clay Travis kiffin

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Yes let's compare records shall we?

Kiffin overall record as head coach in college is 44-24

He had ZERO losing seasons at UT and USC and right now has FAU playing in their conference title game after going 3-9 the previous years

Now how about Boring Doeren

His overall record is 56-34

while at NIU he did great, but it's the jump to the big boy leagues where his record suffers, he's barely above .500 as P5 coach

Kiffin as a head coach of a P5 team would not have missed a single bowl game if it wasn't for the USC sanctions

Even when he was fired from USC he had a 3-2 record, this team needs a proven P5 winning coach and hate to break it to ya but Kiffin doesn't have a losing record in college at P5 schools.

And what he's done with FAU this year the man can flat coach

Let's see, 20 gamws over .500 vs 3 games over .500, hmmmm that's a real tough choice

You said it yourself - Kiffin is 44-24 as head coach, Doeren is 56-34. Not a whole lot different and they both have about the same amount of power 5 and group of 5 experience

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

Those percentages are virtually the same and Doeren had a tougher path to win at NC State than Kiffin had at USC. If I’m not mistaken the sanctions at USC didn’t take effect until his 3rd year, meaning he only had his last two years with smaller freshman and sophomore classes on his roster, meaning he had a full junior and senior class littered with top talent the entire time he was there and still got canned 5 games into the season. The sanction argument for Kiffin is weak sauce. He and Doeren are both average and their records prove it

The sanction argument would be weak of it were one or two scholarships, but they were docked 30 (THIRTY) scholarships over 3 years. You're insane if you think competing with those numbers even in the Pac-12 is easier than nc states schedule.

 

[zydane47]

You said it yourself - Kiffin is 44-24 as head coach, Doeren is 56-34. Not a whole lot different and they both have about the same amount of power 5 and group of 5 experience

Except as a P5 coach, Kiffin is head and shoulders above Doeren.

The bulk of Kiffin's record is from two P5 schools, where as the best of Doeren's record is at a MAC school.

I like how you conveniently ignored the fact that had USC not been on sanctions, Kiffin would've been to a bowl every year there, in fact his best year there at 10-2 he might've been playing for a National Title.

Your hate for the man is blinding you to the fact that Kiffin as a coach is so much better than Doeren that we shouldn't be having this conversation.

You are literally wanting a guy who is one game better than Butch Jones as a P5 coach.

Really fade? Really?

 

[ckelly33]

LMAO isn’t .647 > .622 or do I need to brush up on my mathematics?

Greater? Yes. Not significantly enough to move the needle - even against Butch at major programs.

 

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Except as a P5 coach, Kiffin is head and shoulders above Doeren.

The bulk of Kiffin's record is from two P5 schools, where as the best of Doeren's record is at a MAC school.

I like how you conveniently ignored the fact that had USC not been on sanctions, Kiffin would've been to a bowl every year there, in fact his best year there at 10-2 he might've been playing for a National Title.

Your hate for the man is blinding you to the fact that Kiffin as a coach is so much better than Doeren that we shouldn't be having this conversation.

You are literally wanting a guy who is one game better than Butch Jones as a P5 coach.

Really fade? Really?

1). I didn’t conveniently ignore the sanctions, I fully addressed that.
2). I don’t want either one of them, that’s my point. They are both average head coaches. Kiffin is a great offensive mind and coord, but not head coach.

And, I’ll add that the path to winning at USC is probably the easiest in all of power 5. I mean, his cross town rival at the time had Rick Neuheisel as their coach.

 

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Greater? Yes. Not significantly enough to move the needle - even against Butch at major programs.

Lol, awesome. Pictures are hard to argue with

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Those percentages are virtually the same and Doeren had a tougher path to win at NC State than Kiffin had at USC. If I’m not mistaken the sanctions at USC didn’t take effect until his 3rd year, meaning he only had his last two years with smaller freshman and sophomore classes on his roster, meaning he had a full junior and senior class littered with top talent the entire time he was there and still got canned 5 games into the season. The sanction argument for Kiffin is weak sauce. He and Doeren are both average and their records prove it

The NCAA sanctions effected USC almost immediately because the NCAA said any USC players could transfer with no restrictions (Malik Jackson and Byron Moore came to UT), so USC played the 2010 season with 71 scholarship players, so Kiffin never had a full compliumwent of players while there.

But I also see Doeren as failing to live up to the expectations this season when he supposedly had a top 10 team. Herbstreit picked NC St as a playoff team. We don't know how Kiffin would handle those expectations as a HC, but we do know that he has been in a playoff program with Saban, so at least understands those expectations and how to bear them.