Clay Travis kiffin

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PrattvilleVol said:
Travis is a self absorbed douchebag. Period.
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You forgot to add with a national presence and voice. Now, we know your football acumen is far superior to his because you're a VN poster, but you have zero national presence and voice, so if he calls you a self-absorbed douchebag on air, you're going to have to take it like a man. Can you?
 
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Nevermind, I’ll do it for you: Doeren has 5 years of power 5 head coaching experience and Freshwater has 5.5. DD had 2 years at N. Illinois, Kiffin 1 year at FAU, so their experience is pretty similar.

Doeren: .622 winning percentage
Kiffin: .647

Both knocked it out of the park at lower division schools surrounded by subpar coaching competition and both were exposed in power 5 when their respective leagues were filled with good coaches. Expect 7-8 wins a year with both, maybe a 9 win season thrown in there somewhere. Only difference is Kiffin will bolt after his 9 win season and Doeren would probably stay.
 
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Wow, where did everybody go? We were just about to compare records of Doeren and a Kiffin and suddenly is really quiet in this thread. Hmmmm
 
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fade route said:
Nevermind, I’ll do it for you: Doeren has 5 years of power 5 head coaching experience and Freshwater has 5.5. DD had 2 years at N. Illinois, Kiffin 1 year at FAU, so their experience is pretty similar.

Doeren: .622 winning percentage
Kiffin: .647

Both knocked it out of the park at lower division schools surrounded by subpar coaching competition and both were exposed in power 5 when their respective leagues were filled with good coaches. Expect 7-8 wins a year with both, maybe a 9 win season thrown in there somewhere. Only difference is Kiffin will bolt after his 9 win season and Doeren would probably stay.
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And kiffin has been at the highest levels of competition for his career until FAU. Northern Illinois? Give me a break, these two coaches are in no way similar. 28-15 with 55 scholarship players at USC is better than anything Doeren will ever do.
 
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fade route said:
Nevermind, I’ll do it for you: Doeren has 5 years of power 5 head coaching experience and Freshwater has 5.5. DD had 2 years at N. Illinois, Kiffin 1 year at FAU, so their experience is pretty similar.

Doeren: .622 winning percentage
Kiffin: .647

Both knocked it out of the park at lower division schools surrounded by subpar coaching competition and both were exposed in power 5 when their respective leagues were filled with good coaches. Expect 7-8 wins a year with both, maybe a 9 win season thrown in there somewhere. Only difference is Kiffin will bolt after his 9 win season and Doeren would probably stay.
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You’re comparing different conferences and different situations but regardless it’s a massively weak argument. The majority of Kiffin promoters want him back because of what he’s done after being fired at USC. Not before.

And I personally want him most because he can run an offense.
 
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fade route said:
Nevermind, I’ll do it for you: Doeren has 5 years of power 5 head coaching experience and Freshwater has 5.5. DD had 2 years at N. Illinois, Kiffin 1 year at FAU, so their experience is pretty similar.

Doeren: .622 winning percentage
Kiffin: .647

Both knocked it out of the park at lower division schools surrounded by subpar coaching competition and both were exposed in power 5 when their respective leagues were filled with good coaches. Expect 7-8 wins a year with both, maybe a 9 win season thrown in there somewhere. Only difference is Kiffin will bolt after his 9 win season and Doeren would probably stay.
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You're trying to compare what Kiffin did at Tenn/USC vs what Doeren is doing at NCST. The 2 aren't even close to the same. Kiffin took over a USC team hit with sanctions and limited scholarships and still won. In his only season at TN he turned an abysmal team into a winner year 1. How many seasons has Doeren had a NCST? And this is his first winning/prominent season! But go ahead, continue to compare apples to oranges....
 
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fade route said:
Compare their records and get back to me peeps
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Yes let's compare records shall we?

Kiffin overall record as head coach in college is 44-24

He had ZERO losing seasons at UT and USC and right now has FAU playing in their conference title game after going 3-9 the previous years

Now how about Boring Doeren

His overall record is 56-34

while at NIU he did great, but it's the jump to the big boy leagues where his record suffers, he's barely above .500 as P5 coach

Kiffin as a head coach of a P5 team would not have missed a single bowl game if it wasn't for the USC sanctions

Even when he was fired from USC he had a 3-2 record, this team needs a proven P5 winning coach and hate to break it to ya but Kiffin doesn't have a losing record in college at P5 schools.

And what he's done with FAU this year the man can flat coach

Let's see, 20 gamws over .500 vs 3 games over .500, hmmmm that's a real tough choice
 
#25
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chattaboogie said:
LMAO isn’t .647 > .622 or do I need to brush up on my mathematics?
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Those percentages are virtually the same and Doeren had a tougher path to win at NC State than Kiffin had at USC. If I’m not mistaken the sanctions at USC didn’t take effect until his 3rd year, meaning he only had his last two years with smaller freshman and sophomore classes on his roster, meaning he had a full junior and senior class littered with top talent the entire time he was there and still got canned 5 games into the season. The sanction argument for Kiffin is weak sauce. He and Doeren are both average and their records prove it
 
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