Clay Travis Destroys Dooley

#76
#76
ocivol said:
clay travis is an a$$hat. We've lost to oregon, florida, @ lsu, @ georgia, and alabama (double-digit 'dogs in each game). Which of those teams were we supposed to beat? Is our o-line or d-line as good as any of those teams?

Bottom line is our program is down, but, at this point, it seems illogical to point the finger at dooley. Wait until we play some teams where we match up a little better (memphis, ole miss, kentucky, vanderbilt) before evaluating whether dooley is a yugo.
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#77
#77
I want to let it out but I am holding it in. I hope CDD can turn it around.....I really want him and the team to succeed. GO VOLS!!!
 
#78
#78
Wow I like Clay...I've read both of his books and follow him pretty closely but I think he is off base on that assessment.
 
#79
#79
Zeppelin18241 said:
Bryce Brown rarely played, I can't believe you even brought up Nuke and Teague was alright. We have far better freshman receivers this year than last year. And as for Stocker...He dropped a lot of balls last year and his numbers are directly due to Simms inept ability to complete a pass.
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BB rarely played? He had over 100 carries last year.

Also you said this...

Kiffin had less offensive weapons to work with
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But now you think Kiffin would be winning games with Simms at QB?
 
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#80
#80
rbmphillips said:
So far??? Dooley SUCKS - at almost every game he can't even get the right amount of players on the field for the snap THAT IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO, Offensive Coordinator sucks - LETS THROW THE HELL OUTTA THE BALL EVEN THOUGH POOLE IS ON FIRE RIGHT NOW!! Defensive Coodinator sucks - LETS COVER THE BEST WIDE OUTS IN MAN COVERAGE WITH NO HELP _ _ EVER. Special teams - I have to say they are doing decent. Our punter has really helped us not not get 80 hung around our neck. Will better players correct this, YEAH BUT THEY AREN'T GOING TO COMMIT HERE BECAUSE THEY SEE THE BS THAT IS GOING ON. NEWS FLASH _ THE RECRUITS CAN WATCH OUR GAMES TOO!!!!
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Sit down, have a drink, stay a while. Quit shouting.
 
#81
#81
What a cry baby! :jpshakehead: Our players this year compared to Bama is like a class 2a school playing Maryville. Dont throw up Dooley failures man. :stop: It's not his fault we dont have depth or the talent to compete. How would you like to take over in a heads up poker match for a million bucks holding nothing but 8 high hand? Not really fair is it? Well, how bout we actually act like volunteer fans and show unconditional support for our program and ALL that represent it. Recruits will see our devotion, tradition, facilities, potential, and wanna come play on Rocky Top!:clap:
 
#83
#83
Zeppelin18241 said:
He's right. Kiffin had less offensive weapons to work with and he still took us to a 7 win season and a bowl game. The only thing I've enjoyed watching this year is the improvement of the oline
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I know the Bama loss was hard, but last year's team put seven guys in the pros, including four offensive guys. A fifth is the current TE. If anything Kiffin did Less with More.

Last year's team would drum this year's team, as everyone knew.
 
#85
#85
VolsNSkinsFan said:
BB rarly played? He had over 100 carries last year.
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He had 101 carries (just looked it up) which is way more than i thought. But hardesty was our main guy. I really think that Poole is right on pace with the two talent-wise, Kiffin just promised Brown carries when he was recruiting him.
 
#86
#86
milohimself said:
:fool:

Last years Vols would beat this years by four touchdowns.

The only thing I kind of agree with him on is the recruiting thing. We can guarantee literally any recruit in the Rivals 250 an immediate starting position. I'm not demanding a great class, but somewhere near the middle of the SEC would be acceptable.
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Why is middle of the pack in the SEC acceptable? Recruiting is our ONE lifeline to success. If we recruit middle of the pack classes, then we field middle of the pack teams. It doesn't cure our depth problems by plugging the holes with middle-of-the-pack talent. That's great if you have fresh legs on the field, but without any talent, you are screwed in the SEC. And if your plan is for the coaches to "coach up" mid-level SEC talent, you better not hold your breath for too many SEC championships too soon.

I think all of this is a little pre-mature. I'm not going to get upset until after NSD when the proof is in the pudding. We have had just as much time as every other program in the SEC to recruit. We have more playing time to offer anyone else. We have scholarships galore. CDD's staff was supposed to be the bomb recruiting-wise. We just renovated the stadium, the indoor practice field, and the weight room. As hard as I try, I can't really seem to find a real reason WHY we wouldn't have a top tier SEC class, with the exception that the staff just didn't get it done.....and that's a problem.
 
#88
#88
Crew said:
The last I will ever do is let someone from the media tell me when I should give up on a coach.

I have some doubts about Dooley but Clay Travis isn't what I would I call an impartial outsider.

We were screwed from the word go this year. A bad loss doesn't change that.
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This ^^!

Anyone who is really upset must be just coming to grips with this reality.

More reality: If Dooley can win 4 of the next 5 we have a shot at a bowl. We sure as heck need the practice.

Recruiting: I know we need top echelon players, but just having some quality subs would have gone a long way this year! Hell, will an actual two deep rotation without the drop off, we probably beat FL and LSU.

As for the fire Dooley crowd, if you think that's really the solution, you may just want to set fire to Neyland and be done with it.

Clay Travis and the rest of the pundits - who cares. Media hacks and they say what sells. What sells in this day and age is inflammatory sensationalized crap.

Go Vols!
 
#89
#89
utgibbs said:
I know the Bama loss was hard, but last year's team put seven guys in the pros, including four offensive guys. A fifth is the current TE. If anything Kiffin did Less with More.

Last year's team would drum this year's team, as everyone knew.
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If I remember correctly not all of those players are currently on a roster. And I disagree completely. Yea kiffin was a jackass and a horrible person and I'm glad he's gone but he showed me more last year than dooley has this year.
 
#90
#90
PMC2726 said:
Why is middle of the pack in the SEC acceptable? Recruiting is our ONE lifeline to success. If we recruit middle of the pack classes, then we field middle of the pack teams. It doesn't cure our depth problems by plugging the holes with middle-of-the-pack talent. That's great if you have fresh legs on the field, but without any talent, you are screwed in the SEC. And if your plan is for the coaches to "coach up" mid-level SEC talent, you better not hold your breath for too many SEC championships too soon.

I think all of this is a little pre-mature. I'm not going to get upset until after NSD when the proof is in the pudding. We have had just as much time as every other program in the SEC to recruit. We have more playing time to offer anyone else. We have scholarships galore. CDD's staff was supposed to be the bomb recruiting-wise. We just renovated the stadium, the indoor practice field, and the weight room. As hard as I try, I can't really seem to find a real reason WHY we wouldn't have a top tier SEC class, with the exception that the staff just didn't get it done.....and that's a problem.
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Middle of the pack is acceptable because you have to take the recruiting services with a grain of salt
 
#91
#91
GAVol said:
This is sort of like entering a Yugo in the Daytona 500 and then pretending to be surprised halfway through the race when you're 5 laps down . . . Where you knew you'd be in the first place.
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More like a Segway, but I get your point.
 
#92
#92
Zeppelin18241 said:
He's right. Kiffin had less offensive weapons to work with and he still took us to a 7 win season and a bowl game. The only thing I've enjoyed watching this year is the improvement of the oline
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:eek:lol: He had an OL that didn't start all freshmen and sophomores too. With that OL skill position talent is meaningless. The OL is getting better, and in a year or 2 will be pretty good, then we can worry about having good skill guys
 
#93
#93
Zeppelin18241 said:
If I remember correctly not all of those players are currently on a roster. And I disagree completely. Yea kiffin was a jackass and a horrible person and I'm glad he's gone but he showed me more last year than dooley has this year.
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How? He won more games with vastly superior and more experienced players? Gee there's a shocker. Kiffin himself said this year's team would be really bad.
 
#94
#94
Zeppelin18241 said:
If I remember correctly not all of those players are currently on a roster. And I disagree completely. Yea kiffin was a jackass and a horrible person and I'm glad he's gone but he showed me more last year than dooley has this year.
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Kiffin left two wins on the field last year.

If Dooley finishes 5 - 7 I'd call it a draw (and actually it's 4 - 8, but I just can't believe the Vols will lose 8). Anything better, and Dooley has done more with the hand he was dealt.
 
#95
#95
Zeppelin18241 said:
First of all i said offense. Obviously the defense last year was better with Berry, Dan Williams and Monte. Hardesty wasn't a first rounder. He went at the end of the 2nd. I think Poole is just as good and will put up better numbers this year and next year. I also think we have WAY better recievers and a better Luke Stocker this year. And Crompton sucked, Kiffin just coached him up to look at half the field and be a manageabel SEC qb. As for the oline, it was better last year but I don't think it was leaps and bounds better. The olines been a pleasant suprise this year.
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Wat.

Hardesty was still far better than Poole.

And how has the o-line been a pleasant surprise this year? We are 113th in the nation in sacks allowed. It finished 31st in that statistic last year.

This year's team is awful. We have literally the same level of talent on the field as Vanderbilt. I'm shocked by the number of people that simply don't get it at this point in the season. We couldn't make the C-USA title game.

Telling statistics, conference ranks:

Scoring offense - 11th
Total offense - 11th
Punt returns - 12th
Kickoff returns - 11th
1st downs/game - 11th
3rd down% - 11th
4th down% - 11th
Red zone% - 12th
10+ yard plays - 11th
TOP - 10th
Sacks allowed - 12th
TFL allowed - 11th

Scoring defense - 10th
Total defense - 12th

Coaching is a big part of the game, but we have no players. Passing final judgment on Dooley at any point during this season is for morans and ruhtards.
 
#96
#96
VolsNSkinsFan said:
Middle of the pack is acceptable because you have to take the recruiting services with a grain of salt
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I look at the recruiting services like I look at the weekly polls. Their results might be up for debate. They certainly are influenced by outside factors. They definitely are not a judge of character. But despite all it's potential quirks, etc., BY AND LARGE, it's a pretty good indicator.

There are always diamonds in the rough and exceptions to the rule, but I REFUSE to believe that we can rebuild this program on diamonds in the rough, kids that got overlooked by bigger programs for one reason or another, and coaching kids up. That's simply unrealistic if you want to CONSISTENTLY challenge for the SEC championship.
 
#98
#98
I read "On Rocky Top" and really enjoyed the book so I was willing to give Clay Travis the benefit of the doubt, but this article just changed my whole perception of him. Derek Dooley will be successful in time. He is 7 games into his tenure. Give me a freaking break. If we are still this bad next year, then we should be a little worried. But even then we will not be that good. 3-5 years folks. Whatever happens, Tennessee DOES NOT want or need another coaching change. Maybe a coordinator change in a few years if things do not drastically improve, but not a head coaching change. That would be suicide to an already ailing football program. I am behind Derek Dooley 100% and WILL NOT judge his performance until we get players on this team that can actually compete.
 
#99
#99
PMC2726 said:
I look at the recruiting services like I look at the weekly polls. Their results might be up for debate. They certainly are influenced by outside factors. They definitely are not a judge of character. But despite all it's potential quirks, etc., BY AND LARGE, it's a pretty good indicator.

There are always diamonds in the rough and exceptions to the rule, but I REFUSE to believe that we can rebuild this program on diamonds in the rough, kids that got overlooked by bigger programs for one reason or another, and coaching kids up. That's simply unrealistic if you want to CONSISTENTLY challenge for the SEC championship.
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3 stars arent sleepers or diamonds in the rough

3 stars are considered among the region's top prospects
 
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