Clawson's QB @ Bowling Green - the stats tell a story

[berry4heisman77]

Crompton is a better runner too.

 

[Vercingetorix]

wait a sec. Stephens broke his hand and didnt participate in spring practice. Yeah Crompton, who many say is a solid practice player won the job over a younger guy who missed spring practice. OK fair enough. Jerrod Shaw won the RT job in spring too. If he gave up 3 sack / game, would you write off giving the guy he beat out, Aaron Douglas a chance? Would you stick out it out with the loser who freezes during tough plays and costs the team the game? We deserve for the competition to be opened up again. Stephens is not getting game time or 1st team reps.

The difference is that you can alternate tackles from series to series and nobody notices, but nothing destroys a locker room faster than a QB controversy. I assume you remember how 2005 played out. Kiffin said he's not going to switch QBs back and forth, and that's what he's doing. If and when Crompton gets benched, it will likely be for good, which is probably why Kiffin is proceeding cautiously. He'd probably rather take his chances trying to coach up the guy who can at least get it done in practice with the guy who reportedly can't get it done at all.

If Stephens were an unknown commodity, then I might be pounding on the table right there with you guys, but we've seen this movie before. We howled for Stephens last year, and then he came in and wasn't any better, and Crompton ended up coming back to finish off the year handing the ball off. There's no reason to think that Stephens would suddenly come in and turn things around this year. I don't really care whether Kiffin makes a QB change or not -- our QB play is likely to be awful either way.

 

[BerkVol]

You're comparing apples and oranges. Kiffin doesn't protect anybody who isn't a QB. He understands the importance of having stability and continuity at QB. The other positions always have open competition.

It is Kiff's philosophy to protect the QB giving them lots of rope, building their confidence etc. Most coaches would have yanked Crompton. The other extreme is Spurrier who yanks after 3 incompletions. I am respectful CLK approach and will bear it out, but I would personally prefer to see NS in there.

 

[BerkVol]

worry about "stability and continuity" at the position. That's insane. "Oh, he's terrible and he's costing us games, but we gotta stick with him because it's important to have stability..." Good grief. Talk about faulty logic. By the time the bama game is past, I think a lot more people will see that Kiffin has not handled this qb situation well at all...Let's remember that Stephens played quite a bit last year--and much better than Crompton.

+1

 

[rmsmith]

Let's remember that Stephens played quite a bit last year--and much better than Crompton.

Did we watch the same games?

 

[SGMVols]

+1

-1000 is more like it.

Have we learned nothing from the '05 and '08 debacles about what happens when you create a QB controversy?

 

[Vercingetorix]

Let's remember that Stephens played quite a bit last year--and much better than Crompton.

You must not have watched the Wyoming game.

If Stephens played "much better" than Crompton, why'd he watch the last two games of the year from the bench?

 

[BerkVol]

I wouldn't say much better. Marginally better maybe.

Even if it was "marginally" better - he was Soph who had not gotten any reps when they brought him in. His stats where better than Christian Ponder another Soph who worked under Jimbo Fisher (a stud OC) and is tearing it up this yr. Crompton is a Senior who after 5 years is a laughingstock considered the worst QB in BCS. What's the downside to Stephens?

 

[BerkVol]

That's funny, because I seem to remember that Stephens started 6 games last year and we lost 4 of them. Also, he had a lower completion % than Crompton, which supports my belief that Crompton is our best option.

There's a lot of revisionist history being spewed on the board tonight.

Crompton, is that you?

 

[rmsmith]

What's the downside to Stephens?

That he's worse than Crompton.

 

[berry4heisman77]

The difference is that you can alternate tackles from series to series and nobody notices, but nothing destroys a locker room faster than a QB controversy. I assume you remember how 2005 played out. Kiffin said he's not going to switch QBs back and forth, and that's what he's doing. If and when Crompton gets benched, it will likely be for good, which is probably why Kiffin is proceeding cautiously. He'd probably rather take his chances trying to coach up the guy who can at least get it done in practice with the guy who reportedly can't get it done at all.

If Stephens were an unknown commodity, then I might be pounding on the table right there with you guys, but we've seen this movie before. We howled for Stephens last year, and then he came in and wasn't any better, and Crompton ended up coming back to finish off the year handing the ball off. There's no reason to think that Stephens would suddenly come in and turn things around this year. I don't really care whether Kiffin makes a QB change or not -- our QB play is likely to be awful either way.

Thank you Vercingetorix i've been telling people that all along, i'm glad somebody else sees what is going on. Couldn't have said it better myself:thumbsup:

 

[Vercingetorix]

Have we learned nothing from the '05 and '08 debacles about what happens when you create a QB controversy?

This is what kills me. There's no reason to think switching to Stephens would work out any better than it did last year, and yet here we are again. People are basically engaging in magical thinking here.

 

[berry4heisman77]

Crompton, is that you?

haha lmao

 

[Vercingetorix]

That he's worse than Crompton.

According to two different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators.

If he were ever going to significantly outshine Crompton, he already would have done it somewhere along the line.

 

[rmsmith]

Crompton, is that you?

Don't like facts?

 

[BerkVol]

.

I have posted this before, but here is the data:

Crompton: Last year
More experienced, was a 4th year junior, got all the first team reps spring and fall camps. Also in 2007 had 2 SEC starts (against LSU and Arkansas) and had been back up (getting reps) to Ainge for 2 years. He was handed the job. His stats are disturbing:
UCLA - 1 INT, 0 touchdown, bad loss. UAB (win), but 2INTs, 2TDs. Florida (bad loss) 1INT. Auburn (terrible loss) 34% completion % - 8 out of 23. Wyoming : terrible LOSS, 40% completion. Vanderbilt threw 1 pass which was intercepted 1 INT. Kentuck (best game), only threw 8 passes 1TD.

Nick Stephens
Was redshirt SOPHMORE and didn't get many reps until his first start. For what its worth, as a recruit he is rated same as Sam Bradford, Christian Ponder (FSU), Greg McElroy.
Northern Illinois (win) - 59% completion, 1TD 0 INT. The reviews on scout and rivals where that it was a great first start for a kid with no experience.
@ Georgia: (loss 26-14 AT GA) 208 yds passing, 2TDs 0 INT. Again great reviews.
Miss St. (win 34-3), passed for 136yd, 0 TDs or INTs
Alabama (loss) 57% completion, 1 TD 0 INT. I recall he set some record about most attempts before first INT. Btw, he is a Sophmore who has just played 3 SEC games incl. top 10 teams Georgia and Alabama.
@ South Carolina 42% completion 0 TD, 1 INT. Bad day in front of crazy SC fans.
Fulmer gets fired that week. Team is depressed, does not show up for Wyoming.
Wyoming : 3 for 9 with 2INTs. Bad game? yeah, he is annoyed and will get in peoples face. Not in the corner sulking. Yells at Briscoe for running the wrong route. Moxy or bad attitude? Gets yanked. Crompton comes in and continues to perform bad (11 for 27, 40%). Loss.
Doesn't play again.
Stephens' stats (compl %, TD / Int ratio, yds/game) are better or similar to Christian Ponders for 2008. Even though Ponder plays 2 1-AA opponents. Ponder is tearing it up this year.

Some other facts:
- Stephens misses spring with broken hand. Stephens working on new delivery, making adjustments. Stephens has the stronger arm. Crompton is probably more mobile.
- Crompton get outplayed by SOPH Coleman. Coleman transfers
- Crompton works his but off all summer. Diligent notes, practicing etc.
- Kiffin and co. invest a TON in Cromptons confidence rebuilding.
- Its close, but Crompton outplays Stephens in Fall. Crompton has reputation of solid practice player but mentally fragility in games. Crompton EARNS the starting nod.

Western Kentucky. Crompton is brilliant. Weak opponent, but still brilliant. Only concern is that many passes batted down and 2 interceptions against very weak defense. Stephens 4 for 4, shows off arm. Don't put to much weight on this.

UCLA
- One of the worst QBing performances i have ever seen. 3 INTs in 3 straight possessions. Sulking in corner. Confidence is shot. No moxy. the ANTI-TEBOW. Kiffin afraid to through a pass. OL is facing 9 men in the box and get criticized for not performing - i don't get that.
- Even with that, we get close to winning game. 4 runs for the 3 yd line. Afraid to use the QB. Even get the ball back at midfield with about 1 minute left. Crompton throws the 5 worst passes (remember 1 of them was another INT which was nulified cause of holding) of the night with the game on the line. No chance with him in there.
- Florida game. throws for 93 yds. 0TDs 2INT. Throws 7 passes forward/downfield - 1 completion, 2INts, 4 incomplete.

 

[berry4heisman77]

people are always looking to complain no matter what it wouldn't be TN football if people weren't complaining about something and calling for people's heads. I was afraid some rednecks were gonna call into vol calls after the ucla loss and call for kiffins head but i was pleasantly surprised when they didn't don't chase the man out he is gonna be great.

 

[rmsmith]

alot of those 'stats' are useless

 

[BerkVol]

Don't like facts?

yeah, buddy, i love facts. I am all about the facts. See my post above on the facts Crompton vs. Stephen. I also started this thread on the "facts" about Clawson's success at BGU.

 

[BerkVol]

alot of those 'stats' are useless

ok, so first i didn't like the "facts". Then i gave the "facts". And now they are useless? If you have an analytical approach to you crompton-luving rational i am happy to hear it.

 

[SGMVols]

yeah, buddy, i love facts. I am all about the facts. See my post above on the facts Crompton vs. Stephen. I also started this thread on the "facts" about Clawson's success at BGU.

Yeah, comparing Ginger to a Heisman winner is very factual.

 

[BerkVol]

people are always looking to complain no matter what it wouldn't be TN football if people weren't complaining about something and calling for people's heads. I was afraid some rednecks were gonna call into vol calls after the ucla loss and call for kiffins head but i was pleasantly surprised when they didn't don't chase the man out he is gonna be great.

On positive note, I am also a massive supporter of CLK and whole staff and trust them and will support and cheer for every player busting their buts on the field (incl. JC).

 

[Vercingetorix]

I have posted this before, but here is the data:

And on the other side, you have a brand new coaching staff full of NFL guys who get to watch them both in practice every day, and they thought Crompton gives them the better chance to win. You're criticizing the decision of a bunch of professional coaches who have access to about a thousand times more information than you do.

You don't just "try the other guy" at QB unless you're absolutely convinced that he gives you a better chance to win; down that path lies the Ainge/Clausen debacle of 2005. You guy with one guy at a time, and when you swtich, it's permanent. Apparently Kiffin must really think nothing of Stephens at all if he's willing to put up with what Crompton's brought to the table so far rather than face nine more games of Stephens as his QB.

 

[BerkVol]

On positive note, I am also a massive supporter of CLK and whole staff and trust them and will support and cheer for every player busting their buts on the field (incl. JC).

where did i do that? By no means did mean to compare the red-head anything approaching Heisman . I did try to be objective - and fully admit the Crompton won the job in practice. But when the game lights come on...

 

[rmsmith]

I have posted this before, but here is the data:

Crompton: Last year
More experienced, was a 4th year junior, got all the first team reps spring and fall camps. Also in 2007 had 2 SEC starts (against LSU and Arkansas) and had been back up (getting reps) to Ainge for 2 years. He was handed the job. His stats are disturbing:

can delete everything prior to this because they aren't stats.

UCLA - 1 INT, 0 touchdown, bad loss. UAB (win), but 2INTs, 2TDs. Florida (bad loss) 1INT. Auburn (terrible loss) 34% completion % - 8 out of 23. Wyoming : terrible LOSS, 40% completion. Vanderbilt threw 1 pass which was intercepted 1 INT. Kentuck (best game), only threw 8 passes 1TD.

Nick Stephens
Was redshirt SOPHMORE and didn't get many reps until his first start. For what its worth, as a recruit he is rated same as Sam Bradford, Christian Ponder (FSU), Greg McElroy.

means nothing, since crompton was rated same as Mark Sanchez, Ryan Perrilloux, Jake Christensen and Harrison Beck. Which one out of this recruiting class turned out to be something?

Northern Illinois (win) - 59% completion, 1TD 0 INT. The reviews on scout and rivals where that it was a great first start for a kid with no experience.

if experience is important to you then why not stay with crompton?

@ Georgia: (loss 26-14 AT GA) 208 yds passing, 2TDs 0 INT. Again great reviews.
Miss St. (win 34-3), passed for 136yd, 0 TDs or INTs
Alabama (loss) 57% completion, 1 TD 0 INT. I recall he set some record about most attempts before first INT. Btw, he is a Sophmore who has just played 3 SEC games incl. top 10 teams Georgia and Alabama.
@ South Carolina 42% completion 0 TD, 1 INT. Bad day in front of crazy SC fans.

but was the team good?

Fulmer gets fired that week. Team is depressed, does not show up for Wyoming.
Wyoming : 3 for 9 with 2INTs. Bad game? yeah, he is annoyed and will get in peoples face. Not in the corner sulking. Yells at Briscoe for running the wrong route. Moxy or bad attitude? Gets yanked. Crompton comes in and continues to perform bad (11 for 27, 40%). Loss.

3/9 is worse than 11/27.

Doesn't play again.
Stephens' stats (compl %, TD / Int ratio, yds/game) are better or similar to Christian Ponders for 2008. Even though Ponder plays 2 1-AA opponents. Ponder is tearing it up this year.

are we going to bring up all divisions??

Some other facts:
- Stephens misses spring with broken hand. Stephens working on new delivery, making adjustments.

excuse

Stephens has the stronger arm. Crompton is probably more mobile.
- Crompton get outplayed by SOPH Coleman. Coleman transfers

and this relates to the current situation how?

- Crompton works his but off all summer. Diligent notes, practicing etc.
- Kiffin and co. invest a TON in Cromptons confidence rebuilding.
- Its close, but Crompton outplays Stephens in Fall. Crompton has reputation of solid practice player but mentally fragility in games. Crompton EARNS the starting nod.

bingo!!!!!

Western Kentucky. Crompton is brilliant. Weak opponent, but still brilliant. Only concern is that many passes batted down and 2 interceptions against very weak defense. Stephens 4 for 4, shows off arm. Don't put to much weight on this.

UCLA
- One of the worst QBing performances i have ever seen. 3 INTs in 3 straight possessions. Sulking in corner. Confidence is shot. No moxy. the ANTI-TEBOW.

what makes you think Stephens would do better if he can't do better in practice?

- Even with that, we get close to winning game. 4 runs for the 3 yd line. Afraid to use the QB. Even get the ball back at midfield with about 1 minute left. Crompton throws the 5 worst passes (remember 1 of them was another INT which was nulified cause of holding) of the night with the game on the line. No chance with him in there.

but yet you want unproven NS in there.

- Florida game. throws for 93 yds. 0TDs 2INT. Throws 7 passes forward/downfield - 1 completion, 2INts, 4 incomplete.

i would like to see a qb do better.