Clausen: Round 9402048201934492.5

#51
#51
So, when Majors could not coach for those games in 92, Fulmer should have just lost them? Good theory Hillbilly. Also, Hyams has stated that he thinks Cut wants a shot at a head coaching position, but it would have to be an ideal situation. Ideal situations usually do not open up when a coach is fired, therefore, he would have to wait for a coach to move on (either retire or take an NFL gig.) I doubt Miles will be retiring or getting an NFL offer anytime soon, same with Tuberville. It is a possibility with Mark Richt, Pete Carroll, and Joe Paterno. Those are the only programs I could see Cut leaving UT for.
 
#52
#52
therealUT said:
So, when Majors could not coach for those games in 92, Fulmer should have just lost them? Good theory Hillbilly. Also, Hyams has stated that he thinks Cut wants a shot at a head coaching position, but it would have to be an ideal situation. Ideal situations usually do not open up when a coach is fired, therefore, he would have to wait for a coach to move on (either retire or take an NFL gig.) I doubt Miles will be retiring or getting an NFL offer anytime soon, same with Tuberville. It is a possibility with Mark Richt, Pete Carroll, and Joe Paterno. Those are the only programs I could see Cut leaving UT for.
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I don't want you to think I'm being argumentative so I'll make this my last post on the subject (until the end of the season) and let you have the last word on the subject for now.

Why is it that some people on this board seem to think that if Fulmer is laid low by Hamilton then Cut and Chavis should/would walk but some of those same people cannot understand that some UT fans (yes, real UT fans who care about the program as much as anyone else and are not negative just for the sake of being negative) think that the honorable thing for Fulmer to have done out of loyalty to Coach Majors would have been to finish out the season as interim HC and then resign. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

As far as Cutcliffe leaving, the reports that I have heard and read do not suggest that he has to go somewhere where he thinks he can take a BCS championship in a year or two. From what I've heard he would be happy to go back to a situation like what he had at Ole Miss with the one exception of not having to work under an AD who is on the hotseat him/herself. I think he will get offers from schools where he could do some good and probably take them from losing seasons to regular bowl game appearances (UVA and North Carolina are two such programs).
 
#53
#53
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Everyone has theory on Majors and the relevant actors all have different versions of the story. If you're a Fulmer person then you are not going to fault Fulmer for taking control and making the most of the position he found himself in. If you're a Majors fan, and I make no appologies for being one, then you are probably going to see Fulmer as overly opportunistic at best and a backstabbing, Judas Iscariot at worst.
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Why can't one be a Fulmer fan and a Majors fan? I make no apologies for being both. Truth be known, all the major players probably had a hand in being at fault. It is sad that this many years later that this is still such a point on contention between Vol fans on either side of that fence.
 
#54
#54
The fact of the matter is this and it cannot be denied. Coach Dickey was the AD and anyone who has ever been around Coach Dickey knows he calls the shots and takes crap from no one. Never has and never will. He ran the AD with an iron fist. he brought a lot of good changes and $ to UT but make no mistake about it. Dickey called the shots. Not CPF or CJM.
 
#56
#56
VolBeef88 said:
The fact of the matter is this and it cannot be denied. Coach Dickey was the AD and anyone who has ever been around Coach Dickey knows he calls the shots and takes crap from no one. Never has and never will. He ran the AD with an iron fist. he brought a lot of good changes and $ to UT but make no mistake about it. Dickey called the shots. Not CPF or CJM.
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What would those "good changes" be? More than a decade of disgraceful performance by the basketball program?
 
#57
#57
volmanjr said:
Why can't one be a Fulmer fan and a Majors fan? I make no apologies for being both. Truth be known, all the major players probably had a hand in being at fault. It is sad that this many years later that this is still such a point on contention between Vol fans on either side of that fence.
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Amen, Brother. Lot's of water has passed under that bridge. Time to move on.
 
#58
#58
Originally Posted by VolunteerHillbilly
It will not happen anyway. Unless CPF retires (doubtful at $2 mil + per year) Cut will be gone at the end of this year or next and no 5* QB is going to want to come play for the next Randy Sanders prototype that Fulmer pulls out of his little black book of people who are insignificant enough that he does not have to worry about them doing unto him as he did unto Coach Majors.

That's the 'Billy we're accustomed to....
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Yeah that's him, too bad he's wrong.
 
#59
#59
jps2194 said:
I know you said without saying too much, but you've got to give us some more info - this sounds like a good story...


BTW, did anyone see Clausen play the other night on ESPN2? He looked better in high school than Rick or Casey ever looked.
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Jimmy is very good, not a doubt about it.

As for the rest, I have to be very careful about what I say. I have a few contacts that give me information, but they watch what I give out very carefully. You would all be surprised who all reads this and every other MAJOR Tennessee message board.

Let me say this though.

Jimmy has already committed. IF he were to pull off that commitment and show an interest in Tennessee, I can say with about 97% accuracy that Tennessee wouldn't be in a possition to accept his commitment. That's all I can say, sorry. :mf_surrender:
 
#60
#60
OrangeSquare said:
Jimmy has already committed. IF he were to pull off that commitment and show an interest in Tennessee, I can say with about 97% accuracy that Tennessee wouldn't be in a possition to accept his commitment.
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No offense intended, but is that really a newsflash?
 
#61
#61
Some people think we would turn and bring him in on a dime. I just wanted to use what little bit of insight I have, to let some people know that I don't think it's a posibility.

The REASON we wouldn't, is the newsflash, but it's one I can't say much about.
 
#64
#64
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Everyone has theory on Majors and the relevant actors all have different versions of the story. If you're a Fulmer person then you are not going to fault Fulmer for taking control and making the most of the position he found himself in. If you're a Majors fan, and I make no appologies for being one, then you are probably going to see Fulmer as overly opportunistic at best and a backstabbing, Judas Iscariot at worst.
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I hate it when we get into this. It makes my blood boil
 
#67
#67
I dont see cut leaving for at least 2 to 3 years......he wont just leave ainge hanging like that........he will wait a few years win a national championship as a vol......vols get some offensive guru too take his place and he goes back to coaching in the sec MISS ST. prolly....just a thought
 
#69
#69
maybe not the OC, but you can coach the special teams, it sure couldnt get any worse
 
#70
#70
milohimself said:
GAVol is going to hate me for this, but I feel compelled to start some discussion...

Do you guys suppose this season could possibly cause Jimmy Clausen to de-committ from Notre Dame and give Tennessee stronger recommendation? I know a lot of you think he is a punk and don't want him... Ainge was a punk at one time (although nowhere near as bad) and he's clearly straightened out under the tutelage of Cutcliffe. Not to mention the year he's having, vs. Brady Quinn and the Notre Dame offense, neither of which have really set the world on fire.
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You cannot be serious. The last clausen will never be a VOL!!!!!!!

:censored:
 
#71
#71
Jimmy Clausen? Let him stay at ND, Jonathan Crompton is a stud, he came to UT as a 5* rated qb #2 in the country knowing Ainge and Schaffer were here and wanting to compete for the job. I think that say's alot about his character and the type of young man he is. He is the type of kid you want to lead your team into the future. He has all the talent and ability and I personally can't wait to see him in the future.
 
#72
#72
Jimmy is gone...let it go. My "Clausen wish" would be that Rick doesn't let Cut out of his sight and absolutely soaks in all of the coaching knowledge he can. I'd like to see him stay in Knoxville long-term.
 
#73
#73
Y'know I wouldn't have a problem with Rick or Casey being on the staff at UT but IMO two things will work agasint continued association between the Clausens and UT: (1) admit it or not, many Vol faithful will be bitter that UT did not get the perceived pick of the Clausen litter (Jimmy) and this will only be amplified if Jimmy has success at ND and UT struggles at QB after EA departs; and (2) with EA's resurgence as a good/great QB a revisionist view of Rick will surely develop whereby he will be blamed in part for the 2005 debacle once people decide that if EA had just been left alone to play the position UT would not have lost 6 games.
 
#74
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Y'know I wouldn't have a problem with Rick or Casey being on the staff at UT but IMO two things will work agasint continued association between the Clausens and UT: (1) admit it or not, many Vol faithful will be bitter that UT did not get the perceived pick of the Clausen litter (Jimmy) and this will only be amplified if Jimmy has success at ND and UT struggles at QB after EA departs; and (2) with EA's resurgence as a good/great QB a revisionist view of Rick will surely develop whereby he will be blamed in part for the 2005 debacle once people decide that if EA had just been left alone to play the position UT would not have lost 6 games.
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If Rick can coach and someone has either of those two problems, that someone needs his head examined.
 
#75
#75
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Y'know I wouldn't have a problem with Rick or Casey being on the staff at UT but IMO two things will work agasint continued association between the Clausens and UT: (1) admit it or not, many Vol faithful will be bitter that UT did not get the perceived pick of the Clausen litter (Jimmy) and this will only be amplified if Jimmy has success at ND and UT struggles at QB after EA departs; and (2) with EA's resurgence as a good/great QB a revisionist view of Rick will surely develop whereby he will be blamed in part for the 2005 debacle once people decide that if EA had just been left alone to play the position UT would not have lost 6 games.
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Then let it be forever known that the offensive failings of 2005 are due to inability to stay with a starting QB (either of them), and overly conservative play calling of an offense that simply failed to perform on all levels.
 
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