Class numbers are getting tight

#26
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Of the 13 spots left:

QB-none
RB-none we are good there for 2014
TE- If Helm and Wolf stay committed we are good.
WR- 1 more
OL- 3 more to cover losses after this season.
DT-3 if we can get them.
DE-2 or 3 more
LB- maybe 1 more
That leaves 2 spots to boost the secondary. Perhaps a CB and S.

Whoever fills these remaining spots, this is going to be a special class.
 
#27
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Of the 13 spots left:

QB-none
RB-none we are good there for 2014
TE- If Helm and Wolf stay committed we are good.
WR- 1 more
OL- 3 more to cover losses after this season.
DT-3 if we can get them.
DE-2 or 3 more
LB- maybe 1 more
That leaves 2 spots to boost the secondary. Perhaps a CB and S.

Whoever fills these remaining spots, this is going to be a special class.

I really think we get more than 1 more WR. We have virtually no true WR aside from Kameel Jackson in this class, and we have none that are really proven at all.

I think we take at least 4. I think we take Booth, Lauderdale, and if we can get Malone we definitely take him. He looked outstanding at the opening.

You need a player like Lauderdale though. Lauderdale and North on the outside could be very nice. WR may be rough to watch this year. Though after losing Patterson and Hunter, don't know how anyone wouldn't expect that.
 
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Hurd - 4*
Paulk - 3*
Powell - 3*
Wolf - 3*
Helm - 4*
Blair - 4*
Thomas - 3*
Brown - 3*
Booth - 4*
Lauderdale - 4*
Malone - 4*
Creamer - 3*
K. Jackson - 3*
Wharton - 4*
Medley - 3*
Barnett - 4*
Henderson - 3*
Ford - 3*
Hendrix - 4*
Lambert - 3*
Berry - 3*
Mouhon - 4*
Bates - 4*
Weatherd - 4*
Bryant - 3*
Dews - 2*
Gaulden - 4*
TK Jr. - 4*
Payne - 4*
Berry - 3*

That's 30 players. I can see that very realistically happen.

Monkey Wrench Players: (Players who can mess that all up, because you don't tell them no if you have a space)
Adoree' Jackson - 5*
Damien Prince - 5*
Brock Ruble - 3*
Clifton Garrett - 4*
Nyles Morgan - 4*
Andrew Williams - 4*
Cortez McDowell - 4*
D.J. Smith - 4*
Tyreek Hill - 4*
Petera Wilson - 4*
Connor Humphries - 4*
Michael Sawyers - 3*
Charles Mosley -4*
Emmanuel Smith - 4*
Chris Lammons - 4*

But I do wonder if Butch would make a statement to high rated recruits this year. What I mean, is if we fill this class, and we get who we want, and they're VFL and talented, would he turn away a higher rated recruit?

I know some would say, "We're not in the position to turn away talent." Who said that we would be? I think every single player we have committed is talented. Just because we turned away a 5* CB because we have 3 4* CB's already doesn't mean we are turning away talent. We already have talent, and he didn't get on board quick enough.

I want UT to fill its class with guys who love UT, and are VFL's. I don't want our staff to beg and grovel with kids to come to UT. UT sells itself.

I genuinely hope to an extent that this happens:

1. Butch fills this class by December.
2. Butch has a killer season.
3. Butch gets some huge recruits who call saying, "We saw what you did on the field. We believe. We want to play for Tennessee."
4. Butch says, "Well boys, I appreciate that, but Tennessee hasn't changed since you visited last summer. If you really wanted to play for Tennessee, why didn't you back then? I'm sorry, but I've got my class, best of luck to you somewhere else."
5. High rated recruit then talks to reporter and says: "I tried to commit to Tennessee, but Coach Jones told me that they were already full, and he would not take my commitment."
6. Other recruits read that, and think to themselves: "Tennessee turned him away, even though he's a great player?!?"
7. Tennessee offers other recruits and they think to themselves, "Tennessee offered! I better act quick if I even think I want to play for them, or else, I'll be left in the cold."

All of a sudden, we've got 5* recruits seriously considering us very very early. The more exclusive you make something, the more desirable it becomes.

You may not agree, but this is how I would like to see University of Tennessee football become.

This is so spot on. Like, for real.
 
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#29
my take on what we will end up with

Blair - JUCO OL
Raulerson - OL
Booth - WR
Lauderdale - WR
Barnett - DL
Lambert - JUCO DL
Hendrix - DL
Mouhon - LB
Berry - ATH
Berry - ATH
Gaulden - CB
McDowell - S

and if we can get Jackson, Lammons, Mosley, Harrell, Garrett or Malone to commit, we push Dews to greyshirt
 
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Hurd - 4*
Paulk - 3*
Powell - 3*
Wolf - 3*
Helm - 4*
Blair - 4*
Thomas - 3*
Brown - 3*
Booth - 4*
Lauderdale - 4*
Malone - 4*
Creamer - 3*
K. Jackson - 3*
Wharton - 4*
Medley - 3*
Barnett - 4*
Henderson - 3*
Ford - 3*
Hendrix - 4*
Lambert - 3*
Berry - 3*
Mouhon - 4*
Bates - 4*
Weatherd - 4*
Bryant - 3*
Dews - 2*
Gaulden - 4*
TK Jr. - 4*
Payne - 4*
Berry - 3*

That's 30 players. I can see that very realistically happen.

Monkey Wrench Players: (Players who can mess that all up, because you don't tell them no if you have a space)
Adoree' Jackson - 5*
Damien Prince - 5*
Brock Ruble - 3*
Clifton Garrett - 4*
Nyles Morgan - 4*
Andrew Williams - 4*
Cortez McDowell - 4*
D.J. Smith - 4*
Tyreek Hill - 4*
Petera Wilson - 4*
Connor Humphries - 4*
Michael Sawyers - 3*
Charles Mosley -4*
Emmanuel Smith - 4*
Chris Lammons - 4*

But I do wonder if Butch would make a statement to high rated recruits this year. What I mean, is if we fill this class, and we get who we want, and they're VFL and talented, would he turn away a higher rated recruit?

I know some would say, "We're not in the position to turn away talent." Who said that we would be? I think every single player we have committed is talented. Just because we turned away a 5* CB because we have 3 4* CB's already doesn't mean we are turning away talent. We already have talent, and he didn't get on board quick enough.

I want UT to fill its class with guys who love UT, and are VFL's. I don't want our staff to beg and grovel with kids to come to UT. UT sells itself.

I genuinely hope to an extent that this happens:

1. Butch fills this class by December.
2. Butch has a killer season.
3. Butch gets some huge recruits who call saying, "We saw what you did on the field. We believe. We want to play for Tennessee."
4. Butch says, "Well boys, I appreciate that, but Tennessee hasn't changed since you visited last summer. If you really wanted to play for Tennessee, why didn't you back then? I'm sorry, but I've got my class, best of luck to you somewhere else."
5. High rated recruit then talks to reporter and says: "I tried to commit to Tennessee, but Coach Jones told me that they were already full, and he would not take my commitment."
6. Other recruits read that, and think to themselves: "Tennessee turned him away, even though he's a great player?!?"
7. Tennessee offers other recruits and they think to themselves, "Tennessee offered! I better act quick if I even think I want to play for them, or else, I'll be left in the cold."

All of a sudden, we've got 5* recruits seriously considering us very very early. The more exclusive you make something, the more desirable it becomes.

You may not agree, but this is how I would like to see University of Tennessee football become.

Telling a highly rated player sorry but we gave our word to a three star would go a long way with me. It's so anti saban it makes me almost wish he'd do it once or twice. I keep thinking about that poor Rb he screwed over at the last min last year. Don't know what happened to him but saban didn't have any qualms about screwing him over leaving him few options just before signing day.
 
#31
#31
Hurd - 4*
Paulk - 3*
Powell - 3*
Wolf - 3*
Helm - 4*
Blair - 4*
Thomas - 3*
Brown - 3*
Booth - 4*
Lauderdale - 4*
Malone - 4*
Creamer - 3*
K. Jackson - 3*
Wharton - 4*
Medley - 3*
Barnett - 4*
Henderson - 3*
Ford - 3*
Hendrix - 4*
Lambert - 3*
Berry - 3*
Mouhon - 4*
Bates - 4*
Weatherd - 4*
Bryant - 3*
Dews - 2*
Gaulden - 4*
TK Jr. - 4*
Payne - 4*
Berry - 3*

That's 30 players. I can see that very realistically happen.

Monkey Wrench Players: (Players who can mess that all up, because you don't tell them no if you have a space)
Adoree' Jackson - 5*
Damien Prince - 5*
Brock Ruble - 3*
Clifton Garrett - 4*
Nyles Morgan - 4*
Andrew Williams - 4*
Cortez McDowell - 4*
D.J. Smith - 4*
Tyreek Hill - 4*
Petera Wilson - 4*
Connor Humphries - 4*
Michael Sawyers - 3*
Charles Mosley -4*
Emmanuel Smith - 4*
Chris Lammons - 4*

Sub in Mosley for lambert because I think bama ship has sailed and we get him, and think lambert to uf or uga despite his mention of early playing time being important( for whatever reason just don't feel we get lambert even tho we want him).

Also someone like fadol brown or Cory Johnson instead of ford(I think staff isn't confident about taking him yet and may opt for a juco guy instead, longer it goes the less it looks good for us with Poona).

Then think we take lammons, and only get one of Malone/booth. Malone if he wants, if not, then booth.

I'm confident the staff will find a way to open up another spot, and I think it goes to McDowell.

If they somehow open up yet anotherrr spot, and can take someone like DJ smith or adoree Jackson, lets just say I would do unspeakable things out of joy.

Edit: I forgot Harrell who I'm almost positive becomes a vol based on his quotes. And so I am puzzled yet again. I will sit back and see what butch has planned for us.
 
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#32
#32
Telling a highly rated player sorry but we gave our word to a three star would go a long way with me. It's so anti saban it makes me almost wish he'd do it once or twice. I keep thinking about that poor Rb he screwed over at the last min last year. Don't know what happened to him but saban didn't have any qualms about screwing him over leaving him few options just before signing day.

As I've said in another thread, we have given WAY too much power to the recruit.

I know that you have to have talented players to win. But, you don't have to feed a recruit's ego. We spend so much time drooling over a kid that hasn't even graduated high school, thinking that getting him will make or break and program. And yes, every now and then, you will have a player like that. But more often than not, you're going to have a mediocre player or a bust. Why would you lose integrity and burn a bridge for that?

I completely believe that our strategy needs to be: Find talented players, show them everything that Tennessee has to offer, take the ones who want to be here, and move on from the ones that don't.

We are not some flimsy, on the rise program. We are a program that has the resources to win, and unfortunately just has not had the personnel over the past few years. However, while facilities like ours are rare, and campuses like ours are rare, and fan bases like ours just don't exist anywhere else, personnel can change, and change quickly.

I mean, if Butch brings in a recruit, and he sees what we have got to offer, and is still not sold after comparing us to a few other schools, then forget about it. We don't need to beg a player to come here.

Would I love to have a Lorenzo Carter or a Adoree' Jackson, or a David Cornwell? Sure, if the coaches think they would work on our team. But am I going to sit here and say "Tennessee football is doomed" if they don't come here, or call them up crying and telling them how much we need them, or how I had a dream about coaching them just to get them to be a part of my team? No way. Tennessee is bigger than any of that.

I think that even if this class was not ranked as highly as they were, we would still appreciate them, because they truly do love UT, and I would truly be surprised if we had more than Lawrence Lee decommit. The ONLY other player I could possibly see it with right now would be Brandon Powell or Ethan Wolf. But I truly believe that this class is better than any class we've seen in Tennessee football history from the standpoint of loving UT, selling UT, and building a family.

There are a lot of good players out there. We'll get ours. And we'll win. Bank on it.
 
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#33
As I've said in another thread, we have given WAY too much power to the recruit.

I know that you have to have talented players to win. But, you don't have to feed a recruit's ego. We spend so much time drooling over a kid that hasn't even graduated high school, thinking that getting him will make or break and program. And yes, every now and then, you will have a player like that. But more often than not, you're going to have a mediocre player or a bust. Why would you lose integrity and burn a bridge for that?

I completely believe that our strategy needs to be: Find talented players, show them everything that Tennessee has to offer, take the ones who want to be here, and move on from the ones that don't.

We are not some flimsy, on the rise program. We are a program that has the resources to win, and unfortunately just has not had the personnel over the past few years. However, while facilities like ours are rare, and campuses like ours are rare, and fan bases like ours just don't exist anywhere else, personnel can change, and change quickly.

I mean, if Butch brings in a recruit, and he sees what we have got to offer, and is still not sold after comparing us to a few other schools, then forget about it. We don't need to beg a player to come here.

Would I love to have a Lorenzo Carter or a Adoree' Jackson, or a David Cornwell? Sure, if the coaches think they would work on our team. But am I going to sit here and say "Tennessee football is doomed" if they don't come here, or call them up crying and telling them how much we need them, or how I had a dream about coaching them just to get them to be a part of my team? No way. Tennessee is bigger than any of that.

I think that even if this class was not ranked as highly as they were, we would still appreciate them, because they truly do love UT, and I would truly be surprised if we had more than Lawrence Lee decommit. The ONLY other player I could possibly see it with right now would be Brandon Powell or Ethan Wolf. But I truly believe that this class is better than any class we've seen in Tennessee football history from the standpoint of loving UT, selling UT, and building a family.

There are a lot of good players out there. We'll get ours. And we'll win. Bank on it.

I get your point somewhat but expecting a player to make his decision 7 months before signing day is a bit too much. Come December jan I can see turning up the pressure, but not before then. Give them some time. Biggest decision of their lives so far.
 
#34
#34
Sub in Mosley for lambert because I think bama ship has sailed and we get him, and think lambert to uf or uga despite his mention of early playing time being important( for whatever reason just don't feel we get lambert even tho we want him).

Also someone like fadol brown or Cory Johnson instead of ford(I think staff isn't confident about taking him yet and may opt for a juco guy instead, longer it goes the less it looks good for us with Poona).

Then think we take lammons, and only get one of Malone/booth. Malone if he wants, if not, then booth.

I'm confident the staff will find a way to open up another spot, and I think it goes to McDowell.

If they somehow open up yet anotherrr spot, and can take someone like DJ smith or adoree Jackson, lets just say I would do unspeakable things out of joy.

Edit: I forgot Harrell who I'm almost positive becomes a vol based on his quotes. And so I am puzzled yet again. I will sit back and see what butch has planned for us.

I don't see how they could open up another spot than what they've already got. I mean we've got 29-30 spots approximately. I anticipate we fill all of them.

I can see everything you are saying. Ford needs to poop or get off the pot. I feel like for the caliber of player he is, our coaches have spent a LOT of time courting him, and I think he's going to have to make a decision, or be passed over. Same with McDowell. McDowell is a great prospect, but I don't see them "making a spot" for him or anyone. I think the coaches know exactly what they want in this class, and they've positioned themselves to where they're going to take whoever wants to jump on board.

I could see Lammons taking a spot. I could also see Adoree' coming on down here, and Butch saying, "If you like what you see you better jump on board now." Adoree' plans on waiting until Signing Day, so I highly doubt he is a part of this class. But getting him on campus would make some noise.

I do disagree about Booth. I think that even if Malone wants to be a part of this class that Booth will be as well. The guy just wants to be a Vol. You can see it. He's taken a picture with the commitments like he was one. I mean, this guy is going to be a part of this class. Unless the injury he had limits him so much where he won't be a contributor, he will be in this class.

I don't think Mosley and Bama have parted ways yet. I still think they've got a spot for him. But we are his number two option if he doesn't go there. Lambert feels like a UF lineman. Bad choice, but it is what it is.

I could see Fadol or Johnson choosing us. I do feel its important to get one lineman with JUCO experience. Especially with Couch and Big Dan leaving.

Harrell could be a Vol, but he will need to make his decision rather quickly. He was gushing about UT after his visit though.

Basically, the way I see it, and I hope the coaches see it, is this: We have 30 spots open. Most we've ever had. If a kid waits until we have 30 spots filled and says I want to be part of this class, then I think you tell him bye. He waited too long. 30 spots is a lot to fill. There's been plenty of time for a recruit to jump on board. We shot a lot of offers out there, and there's been the maximum amount of visits. At this point, I have no compassion on someone if the recruitment breaks down from our end.

Like TK said, either be with us or watch us.
 
#35
#35
I get your point somewhat but expecting a player to make his decision 7 months before signing day is a bit too much. Come December jan I can see turning up the pressure, but not before then. Give them some time. Biggest decision of their lives so far.

I don't think it's too much if a player has visited UT, seen everything they have to offer, and then visited a few other schools to get a comparison.

What is so magical about signing day? It's not like, come January or February they automatically know. It really suits them better to make a decision before their senior season than it does after.

When it comes to this, it's pretty simple: School is paid for no matter where you go. So it's never a money issue. It's just about what is important to you. If feeling at home is important, then you figure out where you feel most at home at. If coaching staff is important to you, you figure out what coaching staff you are most comfortable with.

I know it's a big decision for these kids, absolutely, it is. But at the same time, UT will be the same in January as it will be today. It will only be better, IMO. If you've visited another school and liked it better after hearing what we've got to offer, then I don't see the point in continuing to pursue a player.

Getting these players in for a early visit I think gives us the ability to put the pressure on. I DEFINITELY think if someone comes in for an official in the fall then we can pressure them.

But I hate the idea of leaving ourselves at the mercy of a 17-18 year old kid, and holding a spot for them until signing day when they may or may not sign with us. It just sends the wrong message.
 
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#36
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I don't think it's too much if a player has visited UT, seen everything they have to offer, and then visited a few other schools to get a comparison.

What is so magical about signing day? It's not like, come January or February they automatically know. It really suits them better to make a decision before their senior season than it does after.

When it comes to this, it's pretty simple: School is paid for no matter where you go. So it's never a money issue. It's just about what is important to you. If feeling at home is important, then you figure out where you feel most at home at. If coaching staff is important to you, you figure out what coaching staff you are most comfortable with.

I know it's a big decision for these kids, absolutely, it is. But at the same time, UT will be the same in January as it will be today. It will only be better, IMO. If you've visited another school and liked it better after hearing what we've got to offer, then I don't see the point in continuing to pursue a player.

Getting these players in for a early visit I think gives us the ability to put the pressure on. I DEFINITELY think if someone comes in for an official in the fall then we can pressure them.

But I hate the idea of leaving ourselves at the mercy of a 17-18 year old kid, and holding a spot for them until signing day when they may or may not sign with us. It just sends the wrong message.
Some prospects like to see where others are going before they make a decision. Ie the te day earlier this year when five or so committed in one day. The players haven't started their senior seasons yet and the parents may want to take some time to see if the coaches are trustworthy. I'd love to be full by the end of this month, but there's a reason signing day is after the season. We would also be excluding ourselves from first year players and kids who blow up out of nowhere. Some kids don't mature until late and for some the light doesn't come on til their last year.
 
#37
#37
Some prospects like to see where others are going before they make a decision. Ie the te day earlier this year when five or so committed in one day. The players haven't started their senior seasons yet and the parents may want to take some time to see if the coaches are trustworthy. I'd love to be full by the end of this month, but there's a reason signing day is after the season. We would also be excluding ourselves from first year players and kids who blow up out of nowhere. Some kids don't mature until late and for some the light doesn't come on til their last year.

That's true. My only real hope is that all of the players we sign want to be at Tennessee, and that they will play for the University, and not for themselves. We've seen where that gets us.

Also, on a side note, it's seasons like this that I wish we had a Early Signing Day. Don't see how it would hurt the game of football one iota.
 
#38
#38
Would like four OLs. That is one more than the list, but can't see dropping any of those guys.
 
#39
#39
Would like four OLs. That is one more than the list, but can't see dropping any of those guys.

We definitely need OL, no doubt. But I don't see us getting more than three this year. I can see us stacking up on defense and receiver this year, then next year, REALLY hammering out some OL and DL.

I'm one of the few that actually believes that Tiny will stay for a Senior year. I don't think he leaves.

But I believe we get maybe 3 OL this year (Blair, Thomas and Brown), and then next year we pick up maybe about 5-6 on each side of the ball. JMO.
 
#40
#40
Regarding class numbers, things always seem to work out. So, I'm not to concerned. For example, as we move closer to NSD and gain additional highly ranked recruits, a commit or two may waver from the perceived competition that they will face. And open the door for a key commit that UT wants/needs.

Also, I know that stars don't matter. But, for those that are looking at point totals, the following should be considered. Understanding how highly ranked a few of UT's 3* commits are today, I expect some will get a bump in the months ahead. I believe that would add quite a bit to the final tally (especially if 3 or 4 made the jump and Hurd is a 5*).

This is turning out to be an exciting class.
 
#41
#41
We close with:
In no particular order
1. Berry LB
2. Berry Wr/db
3. McDowell Db
4. Poona DT
5. Blair OT
6. Malone (Booth if we miss here) WR
7. Lauderdale WR
8. Hendrix DE
9. Lammons CB
10. Raulerson OT
11. Lambert DT
12. Gaulden DB

And that may just be enough to keep us at number 1.
 
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#42
#42
We definitely need OL, no doubt. But I don't see us getting more than three this year. I can see us stacking up on defense and receiver this year, then next year, REALLY hammering out some OL and DL.

I'm one of the few that actually believes that Tiny will stay for a Senior year. I don't think he leaves.

But I believe we get maybe 3 OL this year (Blair, Thomas and Brown), and then next year we pick up maybe about 5-6 on each side of the ball. JMO.

Blair, Thomas, Brown, and Raulerson.
 
#44
#44
Let's finish up with:

1. Evan Berry CB 3 star 5.7
2. Elliot Berry S/LB 3 star 5.7
3. Barnet DE/DT 4 star 5.8
4. Hendrix DE 4 star 5.9
5. Malone WR 4 star 6.0
6. Lauderdale WR 4 star 5.9
7. Sawyers DT 3 star 5.7
8. Blair OT 4 star 6.0
9. Mosley DT.OG 3 star 5.7
10. Gaulden S 4 star 5.8
11. Lammons CB 4 star 5.8
12. Harrell Ath 3 star 5.7


We would finish with 3190 points on Rival. Bama was number one in recruiting last year with 3166. We could finish # one in recruiting!!!!

Great list, I would replace Sawyers (I don't think we pull him in) with Raulerson (OL).
 
#45
#45
my take on what we will end up with

Blair - JUCO OL
Raulerson - OL
Booth - WR
Lauderdale - WR
Barnett - DL
Lambert - JUCO DL
Hendrix - DL
Mouhon - LB
Berry - ATH
Berry - ATH
Gaulden - CB
McDowell - S

and if we can get Jackson, Lammons, Mosley, Harrell, Garrett or Malone to commit, we push Dews to greyshirt
This is exactly what I am thinking
 
#46
#46
Great list, I would replace Sawyers (I don't think we pull him in) with Raulerson (OL).

That would mean that Barnett is our only DT. We are not going to settle for less than 3.

Barnett
Lambert
Sawyers
Ford
Mosley
Williams

We have to land 3 of those 6.
 
#47
#47
Let's finish up with:

1. Evan Berry CB 3 star 5.7
2. Elliot Berry S/LB 3 star 5.7
3. Barnet DE/DT 4 star 5.8
4. Hendrix DE 4 star 5.9
5. Malone WR 4 star 6.0
6. Lauderdale WR 4 star 5.9
7. Sawyers DT 3 star 5.7
8. Blair OT 4 star 6.0
9. Mosley DT.OG 3 star 5.7
10. Gaulden S 4 star 5.8
11. Lammons CB 4 star 5.8
12. Harrell Ath 3 star 5.7


We would finish with 3190 points on Rival. Bama was number one in recruiting last year with 3166. We could finish # one in recruiting!!!!

Rivals only uses the top 20 commits in its formula. Adding these 12 would put UT at 2445 points, which would have finished 8th in last year's rankings.
 
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#48
That would mean that Barnett is our only DT. We are not going to settle for less than 3.

Barnett
Lambert
Sawyers
Ford
Mosley
Williams

We have to land 3 of those 6.

My mistake, didn't even notice there weren't other DT's. I do believe we pull in Poona Ford, and a JUCO, maybe Lambert. Not so sure about our chances with Lammons and Harrell.
 
#49
#49
We definitely need OL, no doubt. But I don't see us getting more than three this year. I can see us stacking up on defense and receiver this year, then next year, REALLY hammering out some OL and DL.

That would mean just 6 OL signees over a 3-year period, and that's just asking for depth trouble down the road, IMO. It would also mean that almost all of our backups in '15 would be freshmen & juco transfers.

After failing to sign any OL in '12 and just 3 this year, '14 was supposed to be the year to restock but it's looking like we'll come up short again.
 
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