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Buffs look to be ahead 24-14 at halftime

Scored a TD with 3 seconds left in the half on a play where Cincy let Travis Hunter running free
 
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volinbham said:
Travis Hunter is the best player in CFB
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Eh. I need to see him go up against a true lockdown corner (like... I don't know... Jermod McCoy for example) before making that call.

I will say that going into the season I would have loved Tennessee meeting Colorado on the field. Now I would be uncomfortable. They're not a good team, but they're explosive.
 
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KnoxRealtorVOL said:
Eh. I need to see him go up against a true lockdown corner (like... I don't know... Jermod McCoy for example) before making that call.

I will say that going into the season I would have loved Tennessee meeting Colorado on the field. Now I would be uncomfortable. They're not a good team, but they're explosive.
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he's also a lockdown corner himself - or at least close to it. that's the point
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Easy to lockdown when you play nobody
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Keep moving the goalposts.. Colorado right now has the #24 SoR in the country. Their SoS is not great but its above people like Iowa State, Pitt, Indiana, and Army and on par with schools like Oregon, Penn State, and Notre Dame.

Schools play their schedules and get their results. There are 110 colleges that have done worse than them with their own schedules. They have gotten Peggy her bowl game and now are looking to try getting Colorado their 9th 10+ win season in their history. What is being done there is special and folks want to hate on Prime so hard they ignore that. This is the first time Colorado has won 6 or more games since 2016. Since the time Gary Barnett left after 2004 Colorado has won 6+ games twice and lost both of those bowl games. They also had a covid bowl in 2020 when they let any team that would show up play in a bowl. Multiple 2 win teams were invited to bowls. It was kinda wild.

You can argue that Colorado hasn't beaten anyone...but that was not the whole argument at the beginning it was that they wouldn't beat anyone. That they'd suck.. but thing is they don't. You don't have 2 legit Heisman candidates on a bad team. They have unarguably the best player in college football this year and arguably the best QB. They also have 3 draftable WR's (Horn, Wester, Sheppard.) and 2 draftable DB's (Hodge, Shilo) not named Travis Hunter.

They are currently the 4th best team in the big12, the third best P4 conference this year. I would make the argument that they'd win more games than they'd lose to BYU and Iowa State. Kstate is the only team that's better than them and that was a 3 point game. The Big 12 schedules are super weird because the only of the top 4 teams that face more than one of the others is Kstate who plays all 3 of the others .. none of them face the other 2 teams. So basically the Big 12 championship is all down to Kstate lol. If Kstate beats Iowa State an everyone else wins out they play BYU.. because they'd own the tiebreaker over CU and Iowa State. BYU though hasn't looked good lately and them losing one or more of their last 4 is not that unlikely.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's very interesting to me that as Deion's team continues to win games, his national media coverage has basically evaporated.
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Because it was people wanting to watch his downfall. Its not happening so they have to act like what is .. isn't.
 
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pimo1 said:
Because it was people wanting to watch his downfall. Its not happening so they have to act like what is .. isn't.
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He had just as many people pulling for him as against him. Especially media personnel themselves. That's why Deion is such a great promotion vehicle - no matter what happens, audiences were going to watch. Until they don't, lol
 
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05_never_again said:
He had just as many people pulling for him as against him. Especially media personnel themselves. That's why Deion is such a great promotion vehicle - no matter what happens, audiences were going to watch. Until they don't, lol
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Nah its gonna pick back up. All these QB's keep taking themselves out of the Heisman race. The Hunter train will pick up steam and Shedurs name will pop up also. Really it comes down more to what other teams do than anything else. If Kstate can knock off Iowa State and BYU takes an L or 2 things get spicy in the big 12 because right now Kstate has a lot of teams fates in their hands. They are the only team that plays all the other top 4 teams I the current big 12 Standings. They have the tie breaker against CU and if for instance they beat Iowa State and BYU took a loss somewhere down the line CU is in the conversation if they win out. Colorado has a better chance of winning out based on how they are currently playing than the other 3. Their Oline and running game have been constantly improving along with the defense. BYU and Iowa State are starting to show weakness.
 
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pimo1 said:
Keep moving the goalposts.. Colorado right now has the #24 SoR in the country. Their SoS is not great but its above people like Iowa State, Pitt, Indiana, and Army and on par with schools like Oregon, Penn State, and Notre Dame.

Schools play their schedules and get their results. There are 110 colleges that have done worse than them with their own schedules. They have gotten Peggy her bowl game and now are looking to try getting Colorado their 9th 10+ win season in their history. What is being done there is special and folks want to hate on Prime so hard they ignore that. This is the first time Colorado has won 6 or more games since 2016. Since the time Gary Barnett left after 2004 Colorado has won 6+ games twice and lost both of those bowl games. They also had a covid bowl in 2020 when they let any team that would show up play in a bowl. Multiple 2 win teams were invited to bowls. It was kinda wild.

You can argue that Colorado hasn't beaten anyone...but that was not the whole argument at the beginning it was that they wouldn't beat anyone. That they'd suck.. but thing is they don't. You don't have 2 legit Heisman candidates on a bad team. They have unarguably the best player in college football this year and arguably the best QB. They also have 3 draftable WR's (Horn, Wester, Sheppard.) and 2 draftable DB's (Hodge, Shilo) not named Travis Hunter.

They are currently the 4th best team in the big12, the third best P4 conference this year. I would make the argument that they'd win more games than they'd lose to BYU and Iowa State. Kstate is the only team that's better than them and that was a 3 point game. The Big 12 schedules are super weird because the only of the top 4 teams that face more than one of the others is Kstate who plays all 3 of the others .. none of them face the other 2 teams. So basically the Big 12 championship is all down to Kstate lol. If Kstate beats Iowa State an everyone else wins out they play BYU.. because they'd own the tiebreaker over CU and Iowa State. BYU though hasn't looked good lately and them losing one or more of their last 4 is not that unlikely.
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Sorry they aren’t a good team. Hunter is a good player but that’s about it.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sorry they aren’t a good team. Hunter is a good player but that’s about it.
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Then what are they? when they win 8, 9, 10 games you're still gonna be on they are not a good team? They play in the Big12 the third strongest conference this year. Are tied for third in their conference currently. is Ut not a good team? Is Texas not a good team? What metric are you using? Their current SoS (72) is on par with Oregon and Penn State. They are bad teams? Is Ole Miss a bad team Colorado has a higher SoR than them.. they don't have a bad loss Nebraska has 3 L's to teams that were ranked and are currently ranked. KStates only loss is to number 9 BYU.

For you to say Hunter is a good player that's about it disqualifies you for any conversation on this topic going forward.
 
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pimo1 said:
Because it was people wanting to watch his downfall. Its not happening so they have to act like what is .. isn't.
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I think it’s more that people are in a wait and see approach after what happened last year. A lot of people looked dumb last year after they jumped on the train and then it completely derailed. This team actually has some substance on the defensive side of the ball and that’s been a big difference between this year and last .
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think it’s more that people are in a wait and see approach after what happened last year. A lot of people looked dumb last year after they jumped on the train and then it completely derailed. This team actually has some substance on the defensive side of the ball and that’s been a big difference between this year and last .
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Anyone expecting more than he did last year was delusional. No way you turn a 1-11 team there in a year. The 4 games they won and the way they lost the games they did last year was actually impressive as hell. In 2022 Colorados average score differential was 29 points they lost games by an average of 32 points. In 2023 their average points differential was 7 points and their average margin of loss was 14. It might not have showed up in the wins column but those are 2 massively different teams. One team was getting boat raced on the daily and the other was usually within a single score. This is why this seasons results were predictable. If they can get some decent transfers and recruit ok they can be competing for the Big-12 in a few years. Those are realistic expectations based on where they came from.

Had you told a CU booster at the end of the 2022 season you were hiring a coach that would have you comfortably in a bowl game by game 8 in 2024 they would have written you a blank check. As things stand right now, less than 8 wins would be a disappointment and they have a realistic chance to have their 9th 10-win season of all time. Any other coach pulling that off would be the frontrunner for national coach of the year. As it stands now Clark Lea (deservedly) will run away with it with 7 or more wins. The plug gets pulled on Indiana and Army before thanksgiving.
 
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pimo1 said:
Anyone expecting more than he did last year was delusional. No way you turn a 1-11 team there in a year. The 4 games they won and the way they lost the games they did last year was actually impressive as hell. In 2022 Colorados average score differential was 29 points they lost games by an average of 32 points. In 2023 their average points differential was 7 points and their average margin of loss was 14. It might not have showed up in the wins column but those are 2 massively different teams. One team was getting boat raced on the daily and the other was usually within a single score. This is why this seasons results were predictable. If they can get some decent transfers and recruit ok they can be competing for the Big-12 in a few years. Those are realistic expectations based on where they came from.

Had you told a CU booster at the end of the 2022 season you were hiring a coach that would have you comfortably in a bowl game by game 8 in 2024 they would have written you a blank check. As things stand right now, less than 8 wins would be a disappointment and they have a realistic chance to have their 9th 10-win season of all time. Any other coach pulling that off would be the frontrunner for national coach of the year. As it stands now Clark Lea (deservedly) will run away with it with 7 or more wins. The plug gets pulled on Indiana and Army before thanksgiving.
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A lot of people were and are delusional. Yes Deion did take a job where the record before he arrived was 1-11, but let’s not pretend he took the same roster and improved the win total by 3 games . That’s a Joel Klatt argument and to me that falls flat. Deion and his staff are in the midst of a great experiment and he seems to be having some success this season. I’m not necessarily sure that it’s sustainable given his reluctance (some might say negligence) to do basically any recruiting of high school players.

It will be interesting to see what the ceiling is moving forward. It’s pretty unlikely he will have a generational talent again like Travis Hunter, and also have a very talented qb, who is also his son, who knows everything there is to know about how Deion likes his team to run.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
A lot of people were and are delusional. Yes Deion did take a job where the record before he arrived was 1-11, but let’s not pretend he took the same roster and improved the win total by 3 games . That’s a Joel Klatt argument and to me that falls flat. Deion and his staff are in the midst of a great experiment and he seems to be having some success this season. I’m not necessarily sure that it’s sustainable given his reluctance (some might say negligence) to do basically any recruiting of high school players.

It will be interesting to see what the ceiling is moving forward. It’s pretty unlikely he will have a generational talent again like Travis Hunter, and also have a very talented qb, who is also his son, who knows everything there is to know about how Deion likes his team to run.
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You made my exact point...he did it with his guys....He proved you don't have to go into a dumpster fire and rebuild using flaming trash. Again it came at the perfect intersection of changing rules on NIL and the Portal. The year before what he did would have been possible. And no, its not sustainable, you cant have a program that's dependent totally on the portal. What it can be is a spark, a jumpstart. If they do it right they will use the momentum from this season to focus more on high school players this year while still Filling some holes through the portal. they definitely need a portal QB and a WR or two since they lose their top4 WR's. If they can get a good QB in the portal and sign a good HS QB to develop they can be in good shape.

The blah blah about his son and Travis Hunter is silly. Hunter is a once in a lifetime type of player and SHedur is a once ina decade type of QB. He did need them for this start.. he does not need to have guys of the same caliber as them to be successful in the big-12. He has built up around them to the point he has a lot of talented supporting players returning. He needs a good QB and some decent veteran WR's. They don't have to win the big 12 next year just hold par and be a 7-8 win team. The ceiling for Deion in CU I think is winning 8-10 games a year and competing for the Big 12. If he can do that for 5-6 years he can go down as the third or fourth best coach they have ever had. Again they have had 8 seasons EVER of 10 or more wins.

An interesting factoid. Bill McCartney, the best and most successful coach they ever had took over a similarly bad Colorado team in 1982. He got his first winning season in year 4 and never looked back. Then he left a good team that 2 other coaches rode out for another 10 or so years before CU returned to the norm. if Deion can pull off something similar that would be awesome. I don't think its possible to sustain something like that for more than a few years in today's football climate. there won't be another Bama type dynasty and if it happens it wont happen in a city like Tuscaloosa. NIL has killed that notion. Parity is here and if anything teams in larger markets have a huge advantage, especially once the 105 rule hits.

Its kinda wild that if you were a kid of the Late 80's or 90's you'd remember Colorado as a really good time but their big run only lasted from like 88 to 96 then they started falling off in 97 had a couple decent seasons and finally cratered in 06. Anyone born mid 90's or later will remember Colorado as one of the worst P5/P4 teams worse than Vandy in results. That is the context in which this is all happening.
 
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pimo1 said:
You made my exact point...he did it with his guys....He proved you don't have to go into a dumpster fire and rebuild using flaming trash. Again it came at the perfect intersection of changing rules on NIL and the Portal. The year before what he did would have been possible. And no, its not sustainable, you cant have a program that's dependent totally on the portal. What it can be is a spark, a jumpstart. If they do it right they will use the momentum from this season to focus more on high school players this year while still Filling some holes through the portal. they definitely need a portal QB and a WR or two since they lose their top4 WR's. If they can get a good QB in the portal and sign a good HS QB to develop they can be in good shape.

The blah blah about his son and Travis Hunter is silly. Hunter is a once in a lifetime type of player and SHedur is a once ina decade type of QB. He did need them for this start.. he does not need to have guys of the same caliber as them to be successful in the big-12. He has built up around them to the point he has a lot of talented supporting players returning. He needs a good QB and some decent veteran WR's. They don't have to win the big 12 next year just hold par and be a 7-8 win team. The ceiling for Deion in CU I think is winning 8-10 games a year and competing for the Big 12. If he can do that for 5-6 years he can go down as the third or fourth best coach they have ever had. Again they have had 8 seasons EVER of 10 or more wins.

An interesting factoid. Bill McCartney, the best and most successful coach they ever had took over a similarly bad Colorado team in 1982. He got his first winning season in year 4 and never looked back. Then he left a good team that 2 other coaches rode out for another 10 or so years before CU returned to the norm. if Deion can pull off something similar that would be awesome. I don't think its possible to sustain something like that for more than a few years in today's football climate. there won't be another Bama type dynasty and if it happens it wont happen in a city like Tuscaloosa. NIL has killed that notion. Parity is here and if anything teams in larger markets have a huge advantage, especially once the 105 rule hits.
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The bolded part is completely up to Deion and how his approach will be going forward. He’s had the luxury of his son at QB and obviously having the generational talent of Hunter. The Big 12 is the most wide open league in the P4. It’s there for the taking. I can look at what Deion has done with Colorado and you can certainly see the positives. I think everyone can see the improvement from last year to this year, and especially in the areas of real substance, in the trenches. I think where he has fallen short is recruiting the high school kids. His star power alone should be able to draw tons of high school kids to Boulder. His reluctance to do so has invited people to question his long term goals at Colorado.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The bolded part is completely up to Deion and how his approach will be going forward. He’s had the luxury of his son at QB and obviously having the generational talent of Hunter. The Big 12 is the most wide open league in the P4. It’s there for the taking. I can look at what Deion has done with Colorado and you can certainly see the positives. I think everyone can see the improvement from last year to this year, and especially in the areas of real substance, in the trenches. I think where he has fallen short is recruiting the high school kids. His star power alone should be able to draw tons of high school kids to Boulder. His reluctance to do so has invited people to question his long term goals at Colorado.
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He's not a program builder
 
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pimo1 said:
You made my exact point...he did it with his guys....He proved you don't have to go into a dumpster fire and rebuild using flaming trash. Again it came at the perfect intersection of changing rules on NIL and the Portal. The year before what he did would have been possible. And no, its not sustainable, you cant have a program that's dependent totally on the portal. What it can be is a spark, a jumpstart. If they do it right they will use the momentum from this season to focus more on high school players this year while still Filling some holes through the portal. they definitely need a portal QB and a WR or two since they lose their top4 WR's. If they can get a good QB in the portal and sign a good HS QB to develop they can be in good shape.

The blah blah about his son and Travis Hunter is silly. Hunter is a once in a lifetime type of player and SHedur is a once ina decade type of QB. He did need them for this start.. he does not need to have guys of the same caliber as them to be successful in the big-12. He has built up around them to the point he has a lot of talented supporting players returning. He needs a good QB and some decent veteran WR's. They don't have to win the big 12 next year just hold par and be a 7-8 win team. The ceiling for Deion in CU I think is winning 8-10 games a year and competing for the Big 12. If he can do that for 5-6 years he can go down as the third or fourth best coach they have ever had. Again they have had 8 seasons EVER of 10 or more wins.

An interesting factoid. Bill McCartney, the best and most successful coach they ever had took over a similarly bad Colorado team in 1982. He got his first winning season in year 4 and never looked back. Then he left a good team that 2 other coaches rode out for another 10 or so years before CU returned to the norm. if Deion can pull off something similar that would be awesome. I don't think its possible to sustain something like that for more than a few years in today's football climate. there won't be another Bama type dynasty and if it happens it wont happen in a city like Tuscaloosa. NIL has killed that notion. Parity is here and if anything teams in larger markets have a huge advantage, especially once the 105 rule hits.

Its kinda wild that if you were a kid of the Late 80's or 90's you'd remember Colorado as a really good time but their big run only lasted from like 88 to 96 then they started falling off in 97 had a couple decent seasons and finally cratered in 06. Anyone born mid 90's or later will remember Colorado as one of the worst P5/P4 teams worse than Vandy in results. That is the context in which this is all happening.
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Best I can remember, they were pretty good in the 70s
 
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