Chuck Smith and Recruiting

[trevols81]

I'm pissed about it!!!! Total bull****!!

This is total crap!!!!!

I hate the state of Tennessee football and I'm not holding my breathe that its getting better. Just when I start to feel better about things. The only guy mentioned besides CDD this year was CCS. All the other coaches including CLT were AWOL when it came to the DL. CLT better bring the beef next year or everyone here will hate me next recruiting season. CJW went with his Oregon buddy instead of someone who can advance our standing with recruits. If CPS can't recruit some studs next year then this just makes me more upset. I can't even think straight right now. I was so happy about what CCS was doing and now our only link to VOLS of days past is going to go somewhere to most likely recruit against us. He could end up at Georgia. Wouldn't that be great? CJW you better be able to recruit DTs next year thats all I can say.

in debutle to your statement.....


THE SKY IS NOT FALLING!!!!!

 

[the.one.the.only]

IF this rumor is true then both coaches should be ashamed...Dooley, for not allowing him to interview and Smith, for not going to Dooley, telling him about possible job.

hold up. You heard a rumor that Smith interviewed for an NFL job without telling Dooley and it's Dooley's fault for not letting him? How does that make sense? If Dooley didn't know about it, how could he let/not let him do it?

 

[AirForceVol74]

according to rivals CCs only got two commits this year, he was secondary recruiter on AJ, lance thompson was primary, and alan posey he was primary. alot of recruits mentioned him but they signed elsewhere, i think we will be just fine without him, maybe better with Sirmon. JMO! GBO!

 

[NEVolFan]

in debutle to your statement.....


THE SKY IS NOT FALLING!!!!!

Ahem.....

 

[rpeagram]

Serious question.. Exactly what was he doing?

UT had some issues creating pressure on the quarterback early in the season, though a pair of injuries in the first week of camp to expected starters and the lack of much depth were clearly factors in the lack of sacks. But Smith, himself a former UT standout before a productive NFL career, was widely praised by the players at his position for his knowledge of the game and he also had two talented freshmen that he seemed particularly excited to work with over the coming years.

But the plans for Chuck Smith to stick around to coach them have changed, with Thompson now in charge of molding them after working with the linebackers over the last two seasons.

Let me ask everyone:

What group had a better year as an undermanned group?
LB?
DL?


Has the LB corps achieved greatness the last two years? It appears to me that they wanted an upgrade to CLT at LB in CPS and to put CLT in a job that better fit him at DL and the odd man out was CCS. CJW didn't like him and wanted his buddy. It simple to me. I don't believe rumors and I believe CDD had to stick with his DC over CCS as it relates to the volatility.

I hope CPS can recruit because CCS was showing extreme promise.

 

[BuckheadVol1]

hearing a rumor that he interviewed for a NFL job right after NSD and Dooley knew nothing about it.

probably truth to it if CS had seen the writing on the wall and being proactive.

 

[GoVols10EC]

hold up. You heard a rumor that Smith interviewed for an NFL job without telling Dooley and it's Dooley's fault for not letting him? How does that make sense? If Dooley didn't know about it, how could he let/not let him do it?

I was thinking the same thing. Also, I would think that the NFL coach would contact Dooley and ask permission as professional courtesy. I honestly don't think Smith is NFL D-line material at this stage, so I would question anyone having interest in him. He is an expert on technique, that is it. Most NFL D-line coaches are qualified to be major college coordinators, Smith is definitely not up to par yet in the early stages of his career.

 

[Nashvol2]

If Smith punched Wilcox he should go. I liked him as much as anyone but don't need this.

This maybe true but it begs me to ask why he punched him? People don't normally just punch people for no reason. I'm not saying you should punch your boss even if you do have a good reason because you will likely loose your job. But if you understand the consequences of your actions and there is good reason (self defense, constant belittling, or bullying), I say go for it.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

This has been known before NSD and I doubt recruits didn't know
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Exactly. Just because Chuck Smith played for the Vols does not make him a saint or a recruiting guru. Best of luck to him. I trust Dooley and whatever he works out with Lance Thompson and others in the defensive staff.

GO VOLS!! :rock:

 

[HialeahGator]

hold up. You heard a rumor that Smith interviewed for an NFL job without telling Dooley and it's Dooley's fault for not letting him? How does that make sense? If Dooley didn't know about it, how could he let/not let him do it?

I don't know if the rumor has legs just radio stuff. I said IF the rumors are true then both coaches are at fault. Why jump back to/into college if you are just holding out for the NFL? IMO this is the problem with college coaching.

 

[rpeagram]

according to rivals CCs only got two commits this year, he was secondary recruiter on AJ, lance thompson was primary, and alan posey he was primary. alot of recruits mentioned him but they signed elsewhere, i think we will be just fine without him, maybe better with Sirmon. JMO! GBO!

Where have you people been for the last two months? Almost every interview with kids that came here or went elsewhere mentioned CCS as a factor. In fact the big trend was to mention CDD and CCS. He was showing great promise. GW and TJ mentioned him in every interview. He was going to do very well. Its great that the other coaches can land the guys they did but CCS had the 5*s visiting and eventually may have got them to sign. I guess we will see next year how well he was doing if we don't get the same interest. I hope we get interest from some really good DTs next year because we need them bad. Makes me wonder if GW and TJ made the choice they did because they knew already what was going on at Tennessee. To quote the VANDY fans;"wait until next year". I guess we will.

 

[GoVols10EC]

Let me ask everyone:

What group had a better year as an undermanned group?
LB?
DL?


Has the LB corps achieved greatness the last two years? It appears to me that they wanted an upgrade to CLT at LB in CPS and to put CLT in a job that better fit him at DL and the odd man out was CCS. CJW didn't like him and wanted his buddy. It simple to me. I don't believe rumors and I believe CDD had to stick with his DC over CCS as it relates to the volatility.

I hope CPS can recruit because CCS was showing extreme promise.

Which group had a better year is a tough call, good LB play is so reliant on a strong front. I thought both groups performed admirably. I think the line suffered due to lack of depth, and the lb's due to lack of talent. I love Nick Reveiz but if he is the best we got, then we are off on talent.

I do not think Dooley is trying to upgrade our lb coach by moving CLT and CCS was the odd man out. I think Smith had to go and we are very fortunate that CLT is an outstanding coach that can handle either position equally well. Naturally Sirmon goes to lbs because that his area of expertise.

Recruiting is the only potential loss to me, but it could also be a gain. I just don't know, it just depends how well the youngsters respond to Sirmon. I have a feeling he will be good; NFL pedigree, etc.

 

[volwarrior33]

I would be shocked if he ever gets a job as a full-time position coach in the NFL.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

why would it matter if Smith was already out after NSD?

I was saying it was good for Smith to go explore his options. I would say that he knew what was going to happen, so I don't think he really considered Dooley's feelings on the matter.

 

[Orange to the Bay]

Mixed feelings:

-Hate losing Smith. The guy is a stud, & was & would be coaching guys up to be studs as well.
-CLT was doing well with the LB's & in recruiting. That said...
-If anyone is going to coach LB's (of course, with LT still being on staff) I'd want it to be CPS. LB for 7 yrs & I've heard his name (even as a grad asst) from recruits mouths this year. So, I think he'll be a good coach, good at coaching up, since he IS a good player, & a good recruiter.
-I think CLT was doing a great job, but if he's going to move anywhere, may was well be a position he has himself 7 yrs of experience in. Plus, we don't lose him as a recruiter. Now, that said, despite him being a good recruiter at baseline, it will sure help his "pitch" for the DL to play well & continue to improve under him. It's just tough, cause CCS knew all the technique & tricks of the trade. It was like having Strahan as your damn DL coach! I don't even know what position CLT played in his career. But, that doesn't preclude him. Plenty of people have impactful coaching careers coaching different positions from that they played, some even on the opposite side of the ball! Like a OL'man coaching the secondary. Interesting, but not unheard of.

Of course, at the end of the day, we'll find out how this turns out, & while it's a bummer, I really don't have negative thoughts about this. I think Sirmon will be good, & we know CLT is a good one, so we'll see, but this could be totally fine!

 

[Neyland2nd2none]

This just all seems weird to me. After the rumors started flying around that CS & CJW were butting heads & after CJW said he's staying at UT why didn't Dooley make this move then if he knew one of em had to go? I wish CS the best but I just believe CDD knows what's best for the program. Ive been as excited about things I was hearing about CS as most of us were but if u have a bad seed in the program, wether a player or coach, I think it's best if you can remove that seed. If this new staff gels better than before you can't help but think it would end up being positive overall for the program. I trust CDD & feel confident in his decisions. If he feels this is best I'm behind him 100%. Sucks losing a VFL as a coach but like I said, I trust CDD knows what's best. JMO
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[maxxx]

I honestly feel that UT is a school that can attract 4/5 star players by showing improvement on the field, the ability to put guys in the NFL, and top notch facilities. UT has shown the last two, now they must show better on the field and win. Coaches do make a difference in recruiting, but when you have all the other things that attract recruits you can still land the big ones. Also, I feel that some of the bigger name recruits looked elsewhere because they saw the writing on the wall in terms of expectations at T under Dooley. He has made a point to emphasize a lower tolerance for off field nonsense. Some kids dont like that. From my personal experiences as a coach who has worked with numerous D1 athletes, kids who play certain positions cary a higher risk of discipline issues. You may think its silly, but I have personally seen a trend. D tackles, DB's, and QB's have been the biggest head cases I have worked with. I think that in general defensive minded kids lack the ability to think and control their actions like offensive minded kids. I worked with a 6'5 330 kid(with phenomenal feet) that was being recruited by everyone with a brain. when the going got tough he proved to be a head case and never played a snap of D1 football. Another kid was a DB that is still looking to make it out of JUCO. Both kids have NFL talent but will never see that dream. I can say this about their skill as I have worked with two current NFL players, so I have seen the caliber of athlete needed to make it.

Long story short, it seems that DT's are prone to be a bit lazy and not willing to subject themselves to what Dooley is selling.

Sorry for the long rant.:hi:

 

[Tux]

Chuck Smith was, is, and always will be a great University of Tennessee Volunteer for life.

That said, there were some issues that caused rife with the coaching staff. We all are hearing about the stir with defensive coaching staff. How many have heard of issues that the staff had with him on the recruiting trail?

What I have been told is that we almost lost a couple of our recruits because of CCS, who eventually signed with the Vols, but only after Derek Dooley stepped in and saved the sale. I am also hearing that we did not land one recruit because the mother did not approve of him, even though the kid thought he walked on water.

There is always at least two sides to a story.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Chuck Smith was, is, and always will be a great University of Tennessee Volunteer for life.

That said, there were some issues that caused rife with the coaching staff. We all are hearing about the stir with defensive coaching staff. How many have heard of issues that the staff had with him on the recruiting trail?

What I have been told is that we almost lost a couple of our recruits because of CCS, who eventually signed with the Vols, but only after Derek Dooley stepped in and saved the sale. I am also hearing that we did not land one recruit because the mother did not approve of him, even though the kid thought he walked on water.

There is always at least two sides to a story.

Without naming names, I would say this is 100% accurate.

 

[BuckheadVol1]

Chuck Smith was, is, and always will be a great University of Tennessee Volunteer for life.

That said, there were some issues that caused rife with the coaching staff. We all are hearing about the stir with defensive coaching staff. How many have heard of issues that the staff had with him on the recruiting trail?

What I have been told is that we almost lost a couple of our recruits because of CCS, who eventually signed with the Vols, but only after Derek Dooley stepped in and saved the sale. I am also hearing that we did not land one recruit because the mother did not approve of him, even though the kid thought he walked on water.

There is always at least two sides to a story.

Good insight

 

[Tux]

I'd like to add that my point was not to tear down Chuck Smith. He is one of my very favorite Volunteer players of all-time.

My point was to throw some light on reality in regards to the recruiting angle tied to Chuck Smith's departure from the UT coaching staff. We will not be worse off because of his departure when it comes to the recruiting side.

 

[BuckheadVol1]

I'd like to add that my point was not to tear down Chuck Smith. He is one of my very favorite Volunteer players of all-time.

My point was to throw some light on reality in regards to the recruiting angle tied to Chuck Smith's departure from the UT coaching staff. We will not be worse off because of his departure when it comes to the recruiting side.

I don't think anyone would or is reading it that way. If so, you would have been flamed. I understand and appreciate the info! I love him as well but was never a fan of him being on staff. I thought he was a risk. And no, I am not saying I am a genius and called it. I never posted such but was my gut feeling all along.

I appreciate his service in all capacities as a Vol. Great players/trainers do not always equate to great coaches. However and to the point of an earlier post, I have seen irrelevant/average players become great coaches!


Edit: FWIW, I wish we could have found a role in another capacity for him such as what Lott is doing.

 

[volwarrior33]

I don't think anyone would or is reading it that way. If so, you would have been flamed. I understand and appreciate the info! I love him as well but was never a fan of him being on staff. I thought he was a risk. And no, I am not saying I am a genius and called it. I never posted such but was my gut feeling all along.

I appreciate his service in all capacities as a Vol. Great players/trainers do not always equate to great coaches. However and to the point of an earlier post, I have seen irrelevant/average players become great coaches!


Edit: FWIW, I wish we could have found a role in another capacity for him such as what Lott is doing.

He needs to return to his personal training. He doesn't belong in coaching. The hire was not a strong one. The infatuation posters here had with him was very puzzling. He was very lucky to get this job with his lackluster resume, outside of his training work.

I recall having many arguments over this with some of you last summer. I feel Sirmon is a big upgrade.

 

[the.one.the.only]

Paul Johnson never even played football. Dooley was a walk on. Performance on the field has very little to do with coaching ability.
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[BuckheadVol1]

He needs to return to his personal training. He doesn't belong in coaching. The hire was not a strong one. The infatuation posters here had with him was very puzzling. He was very lucky to get this job with his lackluster resume, outside of his training work.

I recall having many arguments over this with some of you last summer. I feel Sirmon is a big upgrade.

I agree Warrior. I think this move will bode very well for us and it was smart of Dooley to recognize and make the decision now.