Chris Walker covering TE / WR

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TnTom

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Am I crazy, (don't answer that). Did I see Walker trying to cover a WR or TE on a couple of pass plays. I'm talking 15 yds downfield. I actually think he got burned on one. Is this common? I know LB will cover but I didn't know DE would stay with them down the field.

Maybe I didn't see it...........
 
#2
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You are correct and I think it was on a RB out of the backfield.

He was probably dropping out of his rush and covering and just picked up that man...don't really know why he would be trying to cover that route.

Was a big mismatch.
 
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well, thats what all you guys wanted, isnt it? begging for the 3-4 defense. well thats what happens sometimes, an OLB (converted DE) has to play in coverage
 
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I know Malik was supposed to cover Demps during the Florida game and we saw how that turned out. Not the brightest idea I've ever witnessed.
 
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I4Jay said:
well, thats what all you guys wanted, isnt it? begging for the 3-4 defense. well thats what happens sometimes, an OLB (converted DE) has to play in coverage
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Whoa, hold the phones, i dont remember a lot of ppl begging for the 3-4, especially not me.

It's one of the most overrated D's in history. Unless you are in the NFL and have the players to support it.

4-3 has worked for years and will continue to work. It's a good solid D in college.

However, if Chris Walker knew the D's play and knew that the RB would be wide open if he didnt pick him up than he might give it a shot. Better than not having anyone there.
 
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DE covering a WR/RB/TE? I had to listen on the radio so I didn't see it but if true, you're right, that's a huge mismatch. You have to give UAB credit for taking advantage of it and using it (until UT adjusted for it).
 
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Sometimes linemen drop back in zone-blitz situations. You may have seen that. Of course, Wilcox has been known to do some "interesting" things so maybe you did see D-linemen covering skill players man-on-man. I only saw the end of the game (our last "drive" in regulation and the OTs) so I can't comment about anything before that.
 
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I heard they are considering using Walker to cover Hulio in the bama game. :)
 
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I4Jay said:
well, thats what all you guys wanted, isnt it? begging for the 3-4 defense. well thats what happens sometimes, an OLB (converted DE) has to play in coverage
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No, you're wrong. It works in NCAA Football 11 so it has to work in real life. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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TnTom said:
Am I crazy, (don't answer that). Did I see Walker trying to cover a WR or TE on a couple of pass plays. I'm talking 15 yds downfield. I actually think he got burned on one. Is this common? I know LB will cover but I didn't know DE would stay with them down the field.

Maybe I didn't see it...........
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Yeah he did. They've done that a couple of times now. I actually saw in the uab game where Walker was off the line like a db covering their te/wr. I was shaking my head before the play even started. Fortunately for us the qb overthrew the wr. But yeah Walker got burnt bad. Not the greatest of ideas.
 
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I saw this too and I think its a special blitz package. I'm sure Wilcox thought we would get to the qb quick enough that the mismatch wouldn't be a big deal. Which seemed to be true for this game cause they never hurt us with the mismatch. Now, a quality SEC team will kill us if we don't get there. This is jmo.
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KeithStone said:
I saw this too and I think its a special blitz package. I'm sure Wilcox thought we would get to the qb quick enough that the mismatch wouldn't be a big deal. Which seemed to be true for this game cause they never hurt us with the mismatch. Now, a quality SEC team will kill us if we don't get there. This is jmo.
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I remember at least one play in the Florida game where it didn't work. With no pressure on the quarterback, Demps had time to run a short crossing route and the DE had no chance of keeping up with him. Florida converted a third down on the play. Go figure.
 
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He guarded Demps during the Florida game. I dont know how anyone could expect a DE to guard a track star running across a football field. I like Wilcox and i believe he is a good coach, but when a RB or a WR goes in motion you would believe a DB would shift to that side.
 
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TnTom said:
Am I crazy, (don't answer that). Did I see Walker trying to cover a WR or TE on a couple of pass plays. I'm talking 15 yds downfield. I actually think he got burned on one. Is this common? I know LB will cover but I didn't know DE would stay with them down the field.

Maybe I didn't see it...........
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that is done frequently, not jsut by Tennessee. DC's may bring pressure from elsewhere and a DE will drop back in coverage. The intent is for the pressure to get to the QB, not the DE to make a coverage play. the pass is not supposed to get off where a coverage play would have to be made.

I think in the 2001 Florida game, Chief even dropped Henderson back a couple times in coverage....
 
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This takes our best pass rusher out of the equation. i for one do not like it. It creates mismatches that benefit the Offense. Walker was supposed to be a beast off the end but has not been a factor in the pass rush. I know part of that is from injury but the other is a lack of opportunity as he covers backs and TE's out of the backfield. Shouldnt their be a saftey or LB on the coverage and leave our best pass rusher free to pursue the QB?

I know, I know, im not a coach, but seriously, isnt C Walker a preseason All SEC DE?
YES
And what are DE's best at?
Rushing the passer.
 
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I have no clue why this is such a big issue. This is very common and the Titans utilized it perfectly with Haynesworth. The Titans would drop Albert back, who got double teamed almost every play, and brought pressure from a DB or LB. It accomplishes 2 things 1. Confuses the O-line which results in pressure and 2. Confuses the QB because they assume that spot the LB came from is open when in fact a DL is there.

The problem UT has is two-fold. 1. We can't get pressure on the QB by rushing 4 and 2. We can't get pressure on a QB by dropping Walker back and bringing pressure from different places. So pretty much Wilcox is handcuffed because he has literally tried every scheme this year, and the fact remains that we cannot get any pressure.
 
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I don't mind if he drops back in zone, but no way should Chris be playing on a RB in man coverage.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
This takes our best pass rusher out of the equation. i for one do not like it. It creates mismatches that benefit the Offense. Walker was supposed to be a beast off the end but has not been a factor in the pass rush. I know part of that is from injury but the other is a lack of opportunity as he covers backs and TE's out of the backfield. Shouldnt their be a saftey or LB on the coverage and leave our best pass rusher free to pursue the QB?

I know, I know, im not a coach, but seriously, isnt C Walker a preseason All SEC DE?
YES
And what are DE's best at?
Rushing the passer.
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Well, the idea is to keep the offense guessing about where the pressure is coming from, while not totally abandoning the dump off man. Ideally, your DEs and LBs should be nearly interchangeable before you'd start doing stuff like this (that is, after Wilcox gets the recruits he wants); but, yeah, I'm with you. I've never liked the zone blitz even with the right personnel.
 
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