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GRN1926 said:
Should have given him an interim year at least and then performed a proper coaching search. We still had a lot if brand recognition and could hire almost anyone we wanted then. Our bozos flushed that down the toilet
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That recruiting class would have sucked and the whole plan tanked and second guessed imo. Dooley salvaged a good class...just sucked at coaching it. Hiring a lame duck is lame.
 
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butchna said:
That recruiting class would have sucked and the whole plan tanked and second guessed imo. Dooley salvaged a good class...just sucked at coaching it. Hiring a lame duck is lame.
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What.. so one recruiting class was worth 3yrs of Dooley? Which lead to such damage to our brand that we then stopped down to Butch.

Hindsight is 20/20. Panicking and hiring a coach from la tech with a losing record at the 11th hour was obviously not the right choice.
 
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Boston Vol said:
If Simms was afraid of competition why would he have gone to Texas then? Major Applewhite, who was a very highly recruited QB, was already starting there as a redshirt freshman.
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Don’t remember Applewhite as being heavily recruited. He had impressive stats and was an honorable mention All-America, but he finished high school as the services were making their advent so it’s hard to check offers. I remember him impressing immediately and think he outshone higher rated QBs in the process.
 
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GRN1926 said:
What.. so one recruiting class was worth 3yrs of Dooley? Which lead to such damage to our brand that we then stopped down to Butch.

Hindsight is 20/20. Panicking and hiring a coach from la tech with a losing record at the 11th hour was obviously not the right choice.
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But at least he was an experienced HC vs a career assistant who rarely got opportunities to coordinate and never stuck at any spot above position coach. Yours isn’t the first (Or thousandth) endorsement of that hypothetical but I don’t agree that it would have been a guaranteed success. And if it hadn’t? It would have been a revisionist ripping point and theoretical benchmark for the beginning of our failure...just like Dooley.
 
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Ah. Yes. The Chris Simms and the Lying Mack Brown saga.

As I recall Lying Mack Brown sold Chris Simms on the “racial problems” at Tennessee. Main reason I despised him and still dislike Texas. Lying Mack Brown was a snake oil salesman who lucked into a job even he couldn’t screw up.

Texas.

::: spits :::
 
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Why in the wide, wide world of sports does the brand of jersey have any bearing on a young man's decision of which college to attend? You're talking about a major, life-changing decision and it comes down to a brand of uniform? Yea okay.
 
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jarhead said:
Why in the wide, wide world of sports does the brand of jersey have any bearing on a young man's decision of which college to attend? You're talking about a major, life-changing decision and it comes down to a brand of uniform? Yea okay.
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“Young man”...end of mystery.
 
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05_never_again said:
Cutcliffe was the reason Fulmer's 90s offenses were so good and then he saved his bacon after 2005 when he returned.
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Recruiting was the bedrock of our success in the 90’s, coupled with good coaching on both sides of the ball. Starting with Walt Harris in the late 80’s we had solid OC’s, next was Fulmer himself for about 3 years or so, then Phil hired Cut (a bama guy thru and thru, love it, for all the idiotic haters). All us folk from Bama know a thing or two about playing football. Anyway, Cut didn’t save Phil’s bacon.
Phil is one of the best all time college football coaches and certainly second only to the General here on the hill.
My hope is that Phil backslides on the UT coaching lore, as Jermey accends ( I’m optimistic that we have the proper fit at both levels now , AD & HFC).
 
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snappervol said:
Recruiting was the bedrock of our success in the 90’s, coupled with good coaching on both sides of the ball. Starting with Walt Harris in the late 80’s we had solid OC’s, next was Fulmer himself for about 3 years or so, then Phil hired Cut (a bama guy thru and thru, love it, for all the idiotic haters). All us folk from Bama know a thing or two about playing football. Anyway, Cut didn’t save Phil’s bacon.
Phil is one of the best all time college football coaches and certainly second only to the General here on the hill.
My hope is that Phil backslides on the UT coaching lore, as Jermey accends ( I’m optimistic that we have the proper fit at both levels now , AD & HFC).
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He absolutely did in 2006 and 2007. You're correct that Phil was a great recruiter...before Richt and Urban showed up and started eating his lunch. Saban showing up at LSU made his job harder too even though they are a West school. When the recruiting environment became more competitive in the early to mid 2000s, Phil's recruiting prowess really diminished. 2 of his last 4 recruiting classes were ranked in the 20s nationally and below average within the conference.
 
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05_never_again said:
I know, but when Cutcliffe wasn't available to be his OC, he couldn't find anyone else that made it run anywhere near as well. He stuck with Randy Sanders for too long and when Cutcliffe left the second time he went for a total scheme change with Clawson, which was the proximate cause of his firing.
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Ironically, Sanders grew and progressed tremendously after leaving UT.
 
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snappervol said:
Recruiting was the bedrock of our success in the 90’s, coupled with good coaching on both sides of the ball. Starting with Walt Harris in the late 80’s we had solid OC’s, next was Fulmer himself for about 3 years or so, then Phil hired Cut (a bama guy thru and thru, love it, for all the idiotic haters). All us folk from Bama know a thing or two about playing football. Anyway, Cut didn’t save Phil’s bacon.
Phil is one of the best all time college football coaches and certainly second only to the General here on the hill.
My hope is that Phil backslides on the UT coaching lore, as Jermey accends ( I’m optimistic that we have the proper fit at both levels now , AD & HFC).
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Yeah thats false. Phil doesn't make to 08' without Cut coming back. Its not irony that it started sliding and was saved by sheer talent alone directly after Cut's first departure and fell completely off the map after his second. The recruiting was not there to save the ship after 07'.
 
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Cutcliffe was already on staff at Tennessee and had been since 82. It's not like Fulmer brought him on at OC as a completely new coach. He promoted a guy he'd worked with for a decade and was already the qb coach/passing game coordinator at the time.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Yeah thats false. Phil doesn't make to 08' without Cut coming back. Its not irony that it started sliding and was saved by sheer talent alone directly after Cut's first departure and fell completely off the map after his second. The recruiting was not there to save the ship after 07'.
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If Hamilton wouldn't have bungled the Cut hire in 2010 we'd be singing a different song around here. Think he would have won at a high level.
 
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Who cares? Simms proved not to be all that good, every ut guy will tell you Major Applewhite was far better QB. Plus Vols most likely wouldn’t have signed Clausen if Simms was here. He is famous cause what daddy did.
 
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