Chris Kyle: American hero or

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therealUT said:
Really? GWB couldn't have at least negotiated? GWB couldn't have made sure that OBL was handed over to another nation? GWB couldn't even give the impression that the US was willing to accept the offer, provide the evidence publicly, and then, worst case scenario, call the Taliban's bluff?

Hell, it would have been better had the US let another country take and try OBL and then spend $100B to assassinate OBL, instead of spending 10 years, over a trillion dollars, and thousands of lives trying to track and kill him.

But, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Hooray us.
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Come on, we needed to get the country in a martial mood. Successfully negotiating a hand over would have put us in a long drawn out court battle that probably wouldn't have started until a couple of years later. That would have thrown off the Veep and SECDEF's timeline to reenter Iraq by a couple of years and the country would not have been in the mood by then. It is all about timing...
 
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YorkVol said:
Come on, we needed to get the country in a martial mood. Successfully negotiating a hand over would have put us in a long drawn out court battle that probably wouldn't have started until a couple of years later. That would have thrown off the Veep and SECDEF's timeline to reenter Iraq by a couple of years and the country would not have been in the mood by then. It is all about timing...
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My bad...:hi:
 
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YorkVol said:
Come on, we needed to get the country in a martial mood. Successfully negotiating a hand over would have put us in a long drawn out court battle that probably wouldn't have started until a couple of years later. That would have thrown off the Veep and SECDEF's timeline to reenter Iraq by a couple of years and the country would not have been in the mood by then. It is all about timing...
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And all that money and all those lives just so we can empower our chief strategic adversary with cheap access to oil.

It really was a brilliant plan.
 
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Got home from the doctor's office and flipped on the TV just in time to catch a documentary on Carlos Hathcock. He was one bad mofo. The shot through the Cobra's scope, simply amazing.
 
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Weezer said:
Got home from the doctor's office and flipped on the TV just in time to catch a documentary on Carlos Hathcock. He was one bad mofo. The shot through the Cobra's scope, simply amazing.
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His most amazing feat imo was his 4 day stalk and kill of an NVA General.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So it's wiser to teach young Americans in order to gain fame, adoration and notoriety is to be a straight gutter slut like Miley Cyrus or demean women every chance they get like Kanye or Jay-Z?

Military service is an honorable profession given the right reasons. And those that choose to be the best like SEALs, Special Forces, Pararescue and the like should be held up and emulated as an example to all. The taking of life should certainly never be flippant or callous. But at the same time it is a necessary evil of the job. Nobody ever denied the fact Audie Murphy was a hero that was held up for emulation. And he likely has a body count much higher than any serving member of the military today.
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Yes. Because someone doesn't consider the merits of CPO Kyl to be that of a hero, it automatically flips all the way to the other side of the board. Unbelievable.
 
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hog88 said:
His most amazing feat imo was his 4 day stalk and kill of an NVA General.
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That was part of the documentary as well. Mentioned he almost got stepped on by an enemy patrol while camouflaged. Also mentioned an incredibly long shot he made, though I forgot the distance.
 
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Weezer said:
That was part of the documentary as well. Mentioned he almost got stepped on by an enemy patrol while camouflaged. Also mentioned an incredibly long shot he made, though I forgot the distance.
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1500 yards if I remember correctly.

For those that have never done it, stalking is one of if not the most difficult thing to do. To spend 4 days getting into position is amazing, not to mention getting out after the shot.
 
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agent|orange said:
Is that the fabled one using the side-scope mounted .50cal M2?
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not a sniper rifle
 
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agent|orange said:
Is that the fabled one using the side-scope mounted .50cal M2?
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hog88 said:
1500 yards if I remember correctly.

For those that have never done it, stalking is one of if not the most difficult thing to do. To spend 4 days getting into position is amazing, not to mention getting out after the shot.
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Just looked it up. The .50cal M2 was the gun he used to make his longest shot. And it was 2500 yards.
 
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Weezer said:
Just looked it up. The .50cal M2 was the gun he used to make his longest shot. And it was 2500 yards.
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That is apparently where you differ from the other typical knee-jerk folks on here.

Looking up stuff so you make correct statements is for liberals and communists, apparently.
 
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agent|orange said:
Is that the fabled one using the side-scope mounted .50cal M2?
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No, used the M40, I believe. The NVA general was in a compound surrounded fields of grass with very little cover. There was a hard surface road that went around the fields and the security detail would patrol along it. He crossed the road then found a small depression and crawled for 2 days to get within 500m. The General came out of the compound to get in a vehicle the morning of the 3rd day (I think), Whitefeather took the shot and then started low crawling back towards the road. The NVA patrolled the road for two days, not realizing he was within the circle the entire time. By the time he got to the road, they had given up, thinking the sniper shot came from the treeline on the other side of the road and the sniper had escaped. That allowed him to cross back over, meet up with a friendly patrol and get back to base.
 
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agent|orange said:
Yeah, I think the M2 shot was from a FOB?

There isn't much hard info on it other than it was confirmed at 2500 yards with an M2. Which is pretty badass.
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Correct.

Anything over 1000 yards is badass, 2500 is just amazing.
 
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