ChiSox's Buehrle hoped for Vick injury

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Chicago White Sox's Mark Buehrle hoped for a Michael Vick injury at times during 2010 season - ESPN Chicago

"He had a great year and a great comeback, but there were times where we watched the game, and I know it's bad to say, but there were times where we hope he gets hurt," Buehrle told MLB.com. "Everything you've done to these dogs, something bad needs to happen to these guys."
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I'm on Buehrle's side.

And no, I don't want to get in another argument.

I think it's terrible that anyone would abuse an animal we domesticated to depend on us and make them fight to the death for their amusement. Especially when you play in front of 70,000 people and have 200 million dollars worth of deals. That should be enough excitement and money.

But, I get why people think I'm wrong for choosing sides with an animal over a human being.

So... I'm f'ed up for choosing animals over humans that abuse animals for fun. No argument needed. I'll accept that label just to avoid arguing.
 
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I wouldn't feel bad if Vick Died. Hes trash as a human for his actions. That said, he might as well work.

I dont think jail is a suitable punishment for that stuff, but it is what it is.
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That's fine for him to admit it.

....I just hope his closet is clean.
 
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Buehrle just said what many people think. Vick made a heinous mistake. He paid his debt to society as deemed by the court. That isn't always enough, though.

I'd be afraid of karma coming back around if I was Buehrle.

My question is what did Buehrle have to gain by saying this?
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TennesseeFan07 said:
I have always hated Vick. Way before the dog stuff happened.
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I can say there have been guys who if had an injury I'd have chuckled and said karma's a *****.
However, I still think this was stupid of Buehrle to put into the hands of a writer.
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NYYVol said:
I can say there have been guys who if had an injury I'd have chuckled and said karma's a *****.
However, I still think this was stupid of Buehrle to put into the hands of a writer.
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Agreed on both accounts.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
This. And for far too long imo.
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It's reading responses like this when I think that some people don't fully understand what he did. You should read up on the details of some of the things that were done to those dogs. If he was just fighting dogs that would be bad enough but it went much further than that. He killed dogs by hanging them, electrocuting them, drowning them, shooting them, smashing a dogs head into the ground and other ways so yeah, excuse me for thinking the sentence was too short. Torturing dogs over several years is hardly a mistake, it's his way of life.
 
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IMO, this makes Buehrle no better than Vick. Vick served his time that was issued by the courts. He has every right to a fresh start now that he's out of prison. Letting his mistake linger over him does no one any good. And for someone to wish harm to another person is unacceptable.
 
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So the overwhelming concensus here is that Buehrle is in the right for wishing harm on another person simply because that person had caused harm to animals. Somehow that doesn't add up to me. The guy spent something like 2 years in jail which seems like more than ample punishment for what he was accused of. I swear Vick could have just wandered outside and shot a man dead in the street out of nothing but cold blood and not generated as much hate as he has received over the dog fighting.
 
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It's just an opinion. Can't help how you feel.

He served his time, I'm not disputing that. I don't think that means I have to get over what he did just because he served his time. That seems to be a big part of the supporters arguments.

Weed is illegal... oh well. Based on the laws, Vick did his time and weed should be illegal forever apparently. A 17 year old also got 10 years in prison because a 15 year old gave him head. Plaxico Burress shot accidentally shot himself and got two years while Stallworth killed someone and got two months. The laws and punishments are inconsistent. They are what they are but it doesn't mean you have to agree with them.

I'm nowhere near a perfect person, I just can't agree with what Vick did. He already went to court and paid a girl off for knowingly giving her std's. He took marijuana residue on an airplane. Someone(a witness I believe) was shot outside his party. He just seems like a bad apple all around despite having had millions of dollars to turn his life around. Plain and simple, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the guy even if he didn't torture dogs for his amusement. That was just the last straw... the biggest slap in the face was bringing up the fact that he should be allowed to own dogs. Seriously? I sympathize with him wanting to own a dog about as much as I sympathize with a convicted child molester wanting to live next to an elementary school.

It is what it is... he's free to do what he wants. I can live with that. But don't tell me I have to agree with it just because he did his time according to the law. Just the other day, a young girl in another country was whipped to death because she was accused of having an affair with a married man. They later found out that she had been raped. I wouldn't agree with whipping a teenage girl even if she had an affair with a married man. My point is, he did the time based on what a small percentage of people thought was fit. I disagree.

If and when the time comes, feel free to throw me under the bus. I do question how many people would say "He served his time" if he was just random guy that nobody cared about. A lot of people would probably think he is scumbag trash that isn't fit to take their order at the Olive Garden. I believe being a famous athlete that amuses us on Sundays makes a lot of people more forgiving. He's their for our entertainment. If he was a shoe shiner, nobody would give a f*** and even more people would be glad to throw away the key. Jmo.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
It's just an opinion. Can't help how you feel.

He served his time, I'm not disputing that. I don't think that means I have to get over what he did just because he served his time. That seems to be a big part of the supporters arguments.

Weed is illegal... oh well. Based on the laws, Vick did his time and weed should be illegal forever apparently. A 17 year old also got 10 years in prison because a 15 year old gave him head. Plaxico Burress shot accidentally shot himself and got two years while Stallworth killed someone and got two months. The laws and punishments are inconsistent. They are what they are but it doesn't mean you have to agree with them.

I'm nowhere near a perfect person, I just can't agree with what Vick did. He already went to court and paid a girl off for knowingly giving her std's. He took marijuana residue on an airplane. Someone(a witness I believe) was shot outside his party. He just seems like a bad apple all around despite having had millions of dollars to turn his life around. Plain and simple, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the guy even if he didn't torture dogs for his amusement. That was just the last straw... the biggest slap in the face was bringing up the fact that he should be allowed to own dogs. Seriously? I sympathize with him wanting to own a dog about as much as I sympathize with a convicted child molester wanting to live next to an elementary school.

It is what it is... he's free to do what he wants. I can live with that. But don't tell me I have to agree with it just because he did his time according to the law. Just the other day, a young girl in another country was whipped to death because she was accused of having an affair with a married man. They later found out that she had been raped. I wouldn't agree with whipping a teenage girl even if she had an affair with a married man. My point is, he did the time based on what a small percentage of people thought was fit. I disagree.

If and when the time comes, feel free to throw me under the bus. I do question how many people would say "He served his time" if he was just random guy that nobody cared about. A lot of people would probably think he is scumbag trash that isn't fit to take their order at the Olive Garden. I believe being a famous athlete that amuses us on Sundays makes a lot of people more forgiving. He's their for our entertainment. If he was a shoe shiner, nobody would give a f*** and even more people would be glad to throw away the key. Jmo.
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That's not how the judicial system in America works. The court of public opinion doesn't decide people's fates, thankfully. He went through the same court system that any other American would, and was sentenced under them same laws. I can easily understand why people don't like Vick, I don't dispute for one second that what he did was utterly contemptable.

What does rub me the wrong way is how others who have been convicted of MUCH worse are viewed in such a different light that Vick. Over the past 10 years, 3 former Tennessee football players have gotten behind the wheel of a car while drunk and killed someone. Yet I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who has the same "I hope he burns in hell" attitude with regards to Leonard Little, Dwayne Goodrich, or Donte Stallworth that so many have about Vick. Goodrich has served significant jail time and deservedly so. However, Vick's dogfighting jail time was 23 TIMES what Little and Stallworth received combined for the deaths of 2 people.

I tend to go the other way on your question about whether people would think he had served his time if he was just a regular joe off the street. I think if not for his fame, hardly a single person in the US would care one way or another about his sentence. However his fame and stature have given the ever-insane animal rights activists a common enemy to rally behind. It's not like he is the only person ever to have fought dogs. I'm sure many people have been convicted on dogfighting charges in the past, and I'd be willing to bet that PETA never once held a rally at their place of work to protest their right to earn a living after jail time.
 
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615 Vol said:
It's reading responses like this when I think that some people don't fully understand what he did. You should read up on the details of some of the things that were done to those dogs. If he was just fighting dogs that would be bad enough but it went much further than that. He killed dogs by hanging them, electrocuting them, drowning them, shooting them, smashing a dogs head into the ground and other ways so yeah, excuse me for thinking the sentence was too short. Torturing dogs over several years is hardly a mistake, it's his way of life.
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They're just dogs though, in the grand scheme of things they don't mean a thing. If it were humans then yes lock the guy up and throw away the key. 23 months is entirely too long for something like this. I think they got carried away and kind of tried to make an example out of him jmo.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
They're just dogs though, in the grand scheme of things they don't mean a thing. If it were humans then yes lock the guy up and throw away the key. 23 months is entirely too long for something like this. I think they got carried away and kind of tried to make an example out of him jmo.
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I'm not real familiar with other cases like this, but I assume that like with most other crimes there are some sort of sentencing guidelines for this crime, and his jail time fell within the boundaries of those guidelines. Two years for dog fighting feels seems a little long IMO, but if that's what the law allows for, then I guess his sentence was fair in the sense that it was comparable to what anyone else who committed the same crime would have served.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
They're just dogs though, in the grand scheme of things they don't mean a thing. If it were humans then yes lock the guy up and throw away the key. 23 months is entirely too long for something like this. I think they got carried away and kind of tried to make an example out of him jmo.
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His sadism in dispatching the dogs he didn't want or what not is why i wish misery on the guy for the rest of his life. It's not like he shot them in the ear with a .22 .
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'm not real familiar with other cases like this, but I assume that like with most other crimes there are some sort of sentencing guidelines for this crime, and his jail time fell within the boundaries of those guidelines. Two years for dog fighting feels seems a little long IMO, but if that's what the law allows for, then I guess his sentence was fair in the sense that it was comparable to what anyone else who committed the same crime would have served.
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This is what I'm talking about. It wasn't just dog fighting, he tortured dogs in the worst possible way aside from the dog fighting. Wetting a dog down so that you can electrocute it or body slamming its head into concrete until it dies is a little beyond just dog fighting. Again, if it were just dog fighting I would think the guy was drawn in by the competition of it, while not agreeing, that would be a little better than the torture which makes him a sick person.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
They're just dogs though, in the grand scheme of things they don't mean a thing. If it were humans then yes lock the guy up and throw away the key. 23 months is entirely too long for something like this. I think they got carried away and kind of tried to make an example out of him jmo.
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They may just be dogs but his actions were reprehensible. It shows exactly what type of person he is and what his morals and values are.
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