Chicagos 500th homicide of 2012

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Places with high gun crime but with strict gun laws really twist up the "anti" crowd. They very much want to point to the crime itself but are taken very much aback by the impotence of simply trying to corral the issue with tighter laws.

You are NOT going to keep guns out of the hands of those willing to break the law to get them. OTOH any meaningful attempt to do so would basically disenfranchise all law abiding citizens of their rights under the 2A.

So, how about we get really, and I do mean really serious about illegal gun usage/possession? Use a weapon to jack up a 7-11? You'll be charged something along the same lines as what would now be attempted murder. (not in the actual language but what the penalties entail) I want illegal gun usage to become such a monumentally stupid idea that only those who truly like the idea of being locked up for at least 20 years would even consider it. Murder somebody and we pretty much turn you into dog food. We'll turn loose every petty criminal we have to make room if that's what it takes. Call it "criminal incarceration triage". Want to know the funny thing about such proposals? Practically all legit gun owners wouldn't have a problem with it...a lot of liberals would.

Anyway, you get the idea. We will not keep guns out of the hands of those that really want them. We can make it hell on those intent on using gun illegally. Have Congress come out with a "If you use a gun in a felonious act our stance is that we will flat ***k up your world." set of laws and permeate the media for about 6 months with messages like "No really, seriously, as of xx/xx/xxxx those that use firearms in committing crimes are going to be treated in our society in a manner roughly akin to cancer cells in an oncology ward.". And when that 6 months is up we live up to every inch of our word. At the very least it would pretty much end the whole recidivism issue.

And no, it won't stop the true nutcases. The only thing that will do that is to, somehow, stop them before they start.
 
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yeah but if we ban/confiscate everyone's guns then there won't be any more crime! right? isn't that what the anti-gun retards are telling us?
 
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They never report the stats of gun crimes committed by registered owners and those with carry permits. It's almost as if the liberal pansies have watched too many cowboy movies
 
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Here is a fun fact for you. In Florida it is two times more likely to be attacked by an alligator than by a carry permit holder. Also, a carry permit holder is, by the percentages, less likely to commit a gun crime than a police officer.
 
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I'd like to see a breakdown of that homicide number. Percentage of criminal on criminal murders for example. Anyone seen anything like that?
 
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I am not sure what this thread is supposed to either demonstrate or suggest. The handgun ban ended in Chicago in 2010. Homicides in Chicago consistently dropped from 1990-2011 (with three small outliers); in 2012, homicides have risen dramatically as compared to the totals from the previous eight years (with one outlier). Yet, the 500 is still historically on the low end for Chicago. If, however, the 2012 rate is indicative of a new upward trend, then citing strict gun laws is the last thing that is helpful to the discussion, since the gun laws in Chicago are more lenient than they were in recent years.

I am not an advocate of gun control; however, using Chicago to argue anything is asinine.
 
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onlyut4me said:
Here is a fun fact for you. In Florida it is two times more likely to be attacked by an alligator than by a carry permit holder. Also, a carry permit holder is, by the percentages, less likely to commit a gun crime than a police officer.
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And of the incidents where the shooter is not a permit holder, how many of the guns used were initially bought legally ? 95 % ? More ?

You see, the issue is not that permit holders misuse the guns they buy. It's that they have those guns stolen.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And of the incidents where the shooter is not a permit holder, how many of the guns used were initially bought legally ? 95 % ? More ?

You see, the issue is not that permit holders misuse the guns they buy. It's that they have those guns stolen.
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Where's your numbers? I'd like to see how many stolen guns are recovered/linked to homicide scenes.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not sure what this thread is supposed to either demonstrate or suggest. The handgun ban ended in Chicago in 2010. Homicides in Chicago consistently dropped from 1990-2011 (with three small outliers); in 2012, homicides have risen dramatically as compared to the totals from the previous eight years (with one outlier). Yet, the 500 is still historically on the low end for Chicago. If, however, the 2012 rate is indicative of a new upward trend, then citing strict gun laws is the last thing that is helpful to the discussion, since the gun laws in Chicago are more lenient than they were in recent years.

I am not an advocate of gun control; however, using Chicago to argue anything is asinine.
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Not really. The ban had to end, but it is still a headache to get permits. It's a nightmare in New York just to get a gun permit to keep one in your home. Forget about CC. Chicago is still a very rights restricted place.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Not really. The ban had to end, but it is still a headache to get permits. It's a nightmare in New York just to get a gun permit to keep one in your home. Forget about CC. Chicago is still a very rights restricted place.
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Yes, it is still very tough to get a handgun in Chicago; yet, it is easier than it was prior to 2008. Thus, what one is trying to suggest by citing Chicago is dubious.
 
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