Cheating Under Rick Barnes

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buzz4tennessee said:
What history? Please cite something that the 2 of us have agreed upon. Do this in detail! Thanks.

Common sense is relative! So don't act like "Church Lady" and assume that you are the only one right, vols30.
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If you arent the same person, you two are damn near exact copies of each other........dare I say twins
 
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BearCat204 said:
If you arent the same person, you two are damn near exact copies of each other........dare I say twins
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I know that the reason that you and others keep on harping concerning this subject is because you know that I am right! Rick Barnes has NEVER cut down the nets in a postseason tournament while at Texas and NEVER will. The only reason that he has had so many invites to the ncaa tourney is because he coached in a league with very few winning programs in the long run. As a member of a power 5 conference, the ncaa gave his team an invite because there were only 3 or 4 teams with a record that warranted being extended such.

If you have no comeback to this, then go back to your childish attacks, as if I consider them to be such, and I will refuse to comment on them further.

The only thing that I am convinced of is that I know that anyone who uses this type of ("attack"?) has more hurt within themselves than they think they are hurting me. It gives me great pleasure that this person has nothing constructive to add to the conversation!
 
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Wow. All I have to say. Bunch of grown men arguing with one another or a teen. grow up a little guys and get back on track its beginning to get out of control
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
I know that the reason that you and others keep on harping concerning this subject is because you know that I am right! Rick Barnes has NEVER cut down the nets in a postseason tournament while at Texas and NEVER will. The only reason that he has had so many invites to the ncaa tourney is because he coached in a league with very few winning programs in the long run. As a member of a power 5 conference, the ncaa gave his team an invite because there were only 3 or 4 teams with a record that warranted being extended such.

If you have no comeback to this, then go back to your childish attacks, as if I consider them to be such, and I will refuse to comment on them further.

The only thing that I am convinced of is that I know that anyone who uses this type of ("attack"?) has more hurt within themselves than they think they are hurting me. It gives me great pleasure that this person has nothing constructive to add to the conversation!
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There are no sympathy passes for under achieving conferences in P5.
Barnes frequented the NCAA because he averaged 20+ wins per season.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
I know that the reason that you and others keep on harping concerning this subject is because you know that I am right! Rick Barnes has NEVER cut down the nets in a postseason tournament while at Texas and NEVER will. The only reason that he has had so many invites to the ncaa tourney is because he coached in a league with very few winning programs in the long run. As a member of a power 5 conference, the ncaa gave his team an invite because there were only 3 or 4 teams with a record that warranted being extended such.

If you have no comeback to this, then go back to your childish attacks, as if I consider them to be such, and I will refuse to comment on them further.

The only thing that I am convinced of is that I know that anyone who uses this type of ("attack"?) has more hurt within themselves than they think they are hurting me. It gives me great pleasure that this person has nothing constructive to add to the conversation!
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I don't have a real problem with you but that's bull! Barnes has taken average programs in the (at their best) Big East,ACC and Big 12 and made them NCAA regulars! Providence,Clemson and Texas played the big boys at their best! We're talking Georgetown,Syracuse,Pittsburgh,Connecticut,St. John's,Villanova,UNC,Duke,Wake Forest,NC State,KANSAS,Mizzou,Iowa State,Oklahoma,Oklahoma State and Kansas State. It was really needless to mention that murderer row of programs that he's coached against (and beat) at their best, because NO CONFERENCE consistently puts 6-7 teams in the tourney...year after year. And your point about Barnes never "cutting down the nets"? Hardly an endorsement of Tyndall, player...especially since he ain't going to be a HC in college for a long haul. :wink2:
 
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butchna said:
I don't have a real problem with you but that's bull! Barnes has taken average programs in the (at their best) Big East,ACC and Big 12 and made them NCAA regulars! Providence,Clemson and Texas played the big boys at their best! We're talking Georgetown,Syracuse,Pittsburgh,Connecticut,St. John's,Villanova,UNC,Duke,Wake Forest,NC State,KANSAS,Mizzou,Iowa State,Oklahoma,Oklahoma State and Kansas State. It was really needless to mention that murderer row of programs that he's coached against (and beat) at their best, because NO CONFERENCE consistently puts 6-7 teams in the tourney...year after year. And your point about Barnes never "cutting down the nets"? Hardly an endorsement of Tyndall, player...especially since he ain't going to be a HC in college for a long haul. :wink2:
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I don't have any problem with you either, or several others who post here that disagree with what I say. At least you and those similar to you are not whiny, childish babies, who choose to belittle me for my opinion. I also respect your opinion and will post what I think from time to time that is contrary to that view. It is not my aim to belittle anyone for their well thought out posts.

As the old saying goes, "don't shoot the messenger because of the message"! Just address the message. This is what you did with the above post. Thanks!
 
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I wonder why no one but Buzz has questioned why Texas fired Barnes after 17 years. There was a consensus of opinion that he and his staff could not coach offense. Would explain great players but no championships. I pray he is successful and can get the players he needs with our second to none facilities as a drawing card. That is the key.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I wonder why no one but Buzz has questioned why Texas fired Barnes after 17 years. There was a consensus of opinion that he and his staff could not coach offense. Would explain great players but no championships. I pray he is successful and can get the players he needs with our second to none facilities as a drawing card. That is the key.
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Compare Barnes offensive numbers to our previous coaches offensive numbers, let me know the results.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Compare Barnes offensive numbers to our previous coaches offensive numbers, let me know the results.
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Next season, we will be able to compare Barnes to Mears, DeVoe, Pearl, Martin, and Tyndall and we will let his record here speak for itself!

He has a 5 year contract, so there will be plenty of time to see how he does on Rocky Top.

Don't expect any program to roll over due to sheer awe!
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Next season, we will be able to compare Barnes to Mears, DeVoe, Pearl, Martin, and Tyndall and we will let his record here speak for itself!

He has a 5 year contract, so there will be plenty of time to see how he does on Rocky Top.

Don't expect any program to roll over due to sheer awe!
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I'm confident we will have a better season this upcoming year than last year, not just offensively, but also in wins & losses.

As for a 5 year contract, CDT had a 6 year contract, we see how much that really meant.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm confident we will have a better season this upcoming year than last year, not just offensively, but also in wins & losses.

As for a 5 year contract, CDT had a 6 year contract, we see how much that really meant.
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Well, we won't have Josh this upcoming season and it will be interesting to see how quickly Lemonte adapts to the faster game of SEC bb. If he can make that adjustment smoothly, then this will be a big help. Also, Robert, Kevin, Devon, and Derrick will be a year older and hopefully more mature. Jabari will get a chance to make a major contribution instead of being on the bench. It remains to be seen if Detrick will become a team player rather than wanting to shoot the ball every time that he touches it instead of looking for the best option. Alexander should have at least as much an impact on the game as Tariq had. And, the ace in the hole will be Kasongo, as compared to the undersized Carmichael.

The only question that I see is that most every opponent in the conference will be as good or better.

Tyndall was a very shrewd bench coach and, because of His expertise, we had a much better record than I believe more than 95% of the coaches in America would have had here last year.

I invite your input as to the teams in our conference you give us a gimme to defeat without question.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Well, we won't have Josh this upcoming season and it will be interesting to see how quickly Lemonte adapts to the faster game of SEC bb. If he can make that adjustment smoothly, then this will be a big help. Also, Robert, Kevin, Devon, and Derrick will be a year older and hopefully more mature. Jabari will get a chance to make a major contribution instead of being on the bench. It remains to be seen if Detrick will become a team player rather than wanting to shoot the ball every time that he touches it instead of looking for the best option. Alexander should have at least as much an impact on the game as Tariq had. And, the ace in the hole will be Kasongo, as compared to the undersized Carmichael.

The only question that I see is that most every opponent in the conference will be as good or better.

Tyndall was a very shrewd bench coach and, because of His expertise, we had a much better record than I believe more than 95% of the coaches in America would have had here last year.

I invite your input as to the teams in our conference you give us a gimme to defeat without question.
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Well let's just start at the top...

Kentucky...do I think they go undefeated in the regular season and finish 38-1 next year, not a chance in hell IMO.

Arkansas...they lost their top 4 players off last years team, do I think they'll be just as good losing 4/5 starters? No way.

LSU...a fringe NCAAT team last year, they lose their 2 best players, but bring in a very strong recruiting class, I would say this ones a wash, probably similar team as last years.

Ole Miss...loses 3/5 starters and their best player is currently out with a leg injury and not due back until close to the first game, I would say they likely take a step back as they'll sorely miss Jarvis Summers IMO.

Texas A&M...doesn't lose much and adds a top 5 class, they should be much improved.

Georgia...loses 2/5 starters, bringing in a solid class, I would say they'll be similar to last years team, maybe take a small step back, will depend a lot on the freshman.

Vanderbilt...almost everyone back, adding some nice pieces, should be much improved.

Florida...lose 3/5 starters, but most importantly lost a HOF coach, I think White was a good hire and he held their recruiting class together pretty well, I think you'll see a slight increase in win total, but probably not a NCAAT team, and not nearly as bright a mind leading the team.

South Carolina...should be better, but it's hard to be much worse, they'll still be South Carolina imo.

Missouri...should definitely be better than last years horrendous squad, but I don't think they're even a NIT team this season.

Alabama...no telling how Avery Johnson's style works, they lost their 2 guards who were very good players, I think they take a step back.

Mississippi State...Howland is a great coach and landed a very good class, returning some nice pieces, should be much improved.

Auburn...bringing back some nice pieces, lost some leaderships, but overall should take a step forward, still think they're likely a year away from NCAA team IMO.



So in review...

Taking a step back: UK, ARK, UF, UA, UGA, OM
Taking a step forward: AU, MSU, MIZZ, USC, VU, A&M
Not steps taken: LSU


Tennessee finished 7-11 in SEC play last season, they've got 2 games against UK/VU/USC...I think splitting and going 3-3 is very realistic. That's leaves 12 games against the other 10 teams, no word yet on who the 2 teams we will play twice this season will be, so for arguements sake we'll just say 1 is good and 1 is bad...A&M as the good, Missouri as the bad. I think in those 12 games against:

Mizzou x 2: 2-0
A&M x2: 2-2
Ark: 2-3
UF: 3-3
UA: 4-3
UGA: 4-4
OM: 5-4
AU: 6-4
MSU: 6-5
LSU: 6-6

Add that to the 3-3 record from the permanent opponents, and you've got 9-9 in league play. Add in the OOC slate and I think 17-18 wins is a very attainable number for Barnes in Year 1.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Rick Barnes has NEVER cut down the nets in a postseason tournament while at Texas and NEVER will. The only reason that he has had so many invites to the ncaa tourney is because he coached in a league with very few winning programs in the long run. As a member of a power 5 conference, the ncaa gave his team an invite because there were only 3 or 4 teams with a record that warranted being extended such.

If you have no comeback to this, then go back to your childish attacks, as if I consider them to be such, and I will refuse to comment on them further
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4x Big East COY
6x Sweet 16
3x Elite 8
1x Final Four
3x Regular Season Conf Champs
1x conference tourney champs (pretty sure they cut those nets down)

So not only has he cut the nets down in the post season, but he has been to more elite 8's and final fours then the entire existence of UT basketball. Please explain to me who we could have possibly hired with a better resume?


It is also common place to cut the nets down for winning your regional final and advancing to the final four. So your entire premise is patently false as he has cut them down twice. Now if you meant he will never win a Natty because he hasn't before, then all I can ask is did you think we were going replace Donny Dumb Ass with Coach K?
 
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volfanhill said:
4x Big East COY
6x Sweet 16
3x Elite 8
1x Final Four
3x Regular Season Conf Champs
1x conference tourney champs (pretty sure they cut those nets down)

So not only has he cut the nets down in the post season, but he has been to more elite 8's and final fours then the entire existence of UT basketball. Please explain to me who we could have possibly hired with a better resume?


It is also common place to cut the nets down for winning your regional final and advancing to the final four. So your entire premise is patently false as he has cut them down twice. Now if you meant he will never win a Natty because he hasn't before, then all I can ask is did you think we were going replace Donny Dumb Ass with Coach K?
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Speaking of dumb ass, your last sentence seemed dumb ass to me! Donnie beat Butler last season; Rick didn't.

Cutting down regional nets when you are the top seed is an accomplishment to be relished. I give you that. But that only happened one time. That's gone and it is only the present that matters.

My prediction for next year is that we easily have a better home record in the conference, but equaling the conference road record of 5-4 will be extremely difficult. I see 9-9 in the conference as attainable but could be as poor as 6-12, NOT that it will be that bad.

We have to go to Butler, play in Brooklyn, and at the Maui Classic. This is a tough road schedule for a young team. However, if we end up with a winning regular season record then RB should be considered for postseason honors.

But I definitely do not believe he is a smarter x's and o's coach than Donnie, and maybe not as good. My opinion, naturally.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Buzz why did you avoid my post?
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No disrespect, BTO. I was hoping that my response to the poster after you would be construed as covering your prediction as well as what he was saying.

I agreed with you that 9-9 is a plausible conference record for next season. However, it is gonna be close to attaining that record and only time will tell. I did mention that if we finish with a record above .500 in 15-16, then CRB should be given strong consideration for postseason honors.

I appreciate your diligence on this board as I believe most others do, as well!
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
No disrespect, BTO. I was hoping that my response to the poster after you would be construed as covering your prediction as well as what he was saying.

I agreed with you that 9-9 is a plausible conference record for next season. However, it is gonna be close to attaining that record and only time will tell. I did mention that if we finish with a record above .500 in 15-16, then CRB should be given strong consideration for postseason honors.

I appreciate your diligence on this board as I believe most others do, as well!
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We don't play in Maui next year btw
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Speaking of dumb ass, your last sentence seemed dumb ass to me! Donnie beat Butler last season; Rick didn't.

Cutting down regional nets when you are the top seed is an accomplishment to be relished. I give you that. But that only happened one time. That's gone and it is only the present that matters.

My prediction for next year is that we easily have a better home record in the conference, but equaling the conference road record of 5-4 will be extremely difficult. I see 9-9 in the conference as attainable but could be as poor as 6-12, NOT that it will be that bad.

We have to go to Butler, play in Brooklyn, and at the Maui Classic. This is a tough road schedule for a young team. However, if we end up with a winning regular season record then RB should be considered for postseason honors.

But I definitely do not believe he is a smarter x's and o's coach than Donnie, and maybe not as good. My opinion, naturally.
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So you judge a coach by one game? So Fulmer should have been canned after we lost to Memphis? So Duke should have fired Coack K and hired the Mercer coach a year ago? Look at the body of work Jack ass
 
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volfanhill said:
So you judge a coach by one game? So Fulmer should have been canned after we lost to Memphis? So Duke should have fired Coack K and hired the Mercer coach a year ago? Look at the body of work Jack ass
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izzo should have been let go last season also when he lost to Texas southern, a team tyndall beat.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
No disrespect, BTO. I was hoping that my response to the poster after you would be construed as covering your prediction as well as what he was saying.

I agreed with you that 9-9 is a plausible conference record for next season. However, it is gonna be close to attaining that record and only time will tell. I did mention that if we finish with a record above .500 in 15-16, then CRB should be given strong consideration for postseason honors.

I appreciate your diligence on this board as I believe most others do, as well!
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Well, I think this ends the Buzz and SD are the same person theory. SD would've never responded
 
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