Chavis

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SGMVols said:
I'm starting to think 3rd and Chavis was really more like 3rd and Fulmer. Then again, one would almost have to try to fail with a defense this loaded with talent.
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From a recruiting perspective, USC has more defensive talent than LSU, but your boy Kiffin & his old man have made all that talent look pedestrian.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Not saying that Chavis got Fulmer fired or anything; just that we saw enough of Chavis over the years to know that he wasn't winning because of his outstanding schemes. Urban Meyer in particular had his head spinning in circles as soon as they got in the same stadium.
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As evidenced by the whopping 16 points and 21 points Florida under Meyer managed in their first 2 tries against Chavis.
 
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my question is, could chavis coach our Defense in the state that it's in now?

anyone could coach LSU's Defense with as much depth and talent they have.
 
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This game reminded me of the 2005 TN al game.

Except lsu has some semblence of an offense.
 
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armchair said:
There were a LOT of idiots on this board who criticized Chavis--and made fools of themselves for doing so. He was the best coach on the UT staff. We had two outstanding defenses in recent years--2007 was one of them, as I recall, can't remember the other (couple of years before)--and two pathetic offenses to go with them.
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You could find alot better arguments out there than the 2007 defense. They were not very good and we were lucky to make the SECG that year because of them.

They gave up 50 points twice, 45 points to Cal and 41 points to a Bama team with 5 starters suspended prior to the game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Not saying that Chavis got Fulmer fired or anything; just that we saw enough of Chavis over the years to know that he wasn't winning because of his outstanding schemes. Urban Meyer in particular had his head spinning in circles as soon as they got in the same stadium. Chavis has better talent now than he had most of his tenure in Knoxville. That helps a lot. And it wouldn't surprise me if having The Hat as his head coach makes a difference too. There's nothing conservative about Les Miles's football teams.
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Steve Spurrier did as well. That being said, MHO of Chavis is that he is a GOOD DC. Not great, not bad, but good.
 
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VegasVol said:
As evidenced by the whopping 16 points and 21 points Florida under Meyer managed in their first 2 tries against Chavis.
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As evidenced by the 59 they hung on us in 2007. When Spurrier was at Florida, he made our defenses look silly too. And those defenses were loaded with talent as UT was, far and away, the most talented team in the SEC from 1989-2002.
 
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VegasVol said:
From a recruiting perspective, USC has more defensive talent than LSU, but your boy Kiffin & his old man have made all that talent look pedestrian.
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News for you Vegas. The NFL is a better indicator of talent than the recruiting services. What do you want to bet LSU has more defensive players from this team playing in the NFL than USC?

All those facts being stated, LSU has a significantly more talented defense than USC.


Stop with your BS talent evaluations. You are being made to look silly
 
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PimpVol said:
Fulmer is the reason for anything bad at UT. Everyone else in the world is responsible for any good around the program. Everybody knows that. How Fulmer even puts his pants on right is a mystery. He is by far the dumbest coach we ever had. How did he ever win a game? Oh, he didn't. I had forgotten. Sorry.
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With all due respect, that may be true to a certain extent. I wouldn't call him dumb though. My statement might be that he was the least intelligent.

He was the head coach and unfortunately with that title, you bear the ultimate responsibility for everyone.
 
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Yes lets now pile on Chavis. Played at UT, coached at UT and a true VFL. LSu wasted NO time picking him up.
Im amazed that when anyone talks about Chavis in the latter years they forget that we had a mophine addicted QB,rick Clausen ( who I still love for the Katrina game comeback) and Crompton who had to be the worst QB at TN in my lifetime and I'm talking steve altore/randy sanders bad..you know Johnny's boys that so many here seem to love.

I think it was the 05 season that we had one of the worst O's in the country and a top 5 D
 
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VolRock said:
Yes lets now pile on Chavis. Played at UT, coached at UT and a true VFL. LSu wasted NO time picking him up.
Im amazed that when anyone talks about Chavis in the latter years they forget that we had a mophine addicted QB,rick Clausen ( who I still love for the Katrina game comeback) and Crompton who had to be the worst QB at TN in my lifetime and I'm talking steve altore/randy sanders bad..you know Johnny's boys that so many here seem to love.

I think it was the 05 season that we had one of the worst O's in the country and a top 5 D
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Ironic that you would defend Chavis as true VFL because he played here by bashing guys who also played here.

You bash Crompton yet he suffered thru death threats because fans didn't think he was a good QB and he was able to turn his season around and be a very good QB the last part of 2009. You bash Erik Ainge even though Cut took him, broke him down and remade him into a very very good QB for 2 years.
 
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VegasVol said:
From a recruiting perspective, USC has more defensive talent than LSU, but your boy Kiffin & his old man have made all that talent look pedestrian.
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After you sober up, re-read what you just typed. You're insane if you think USC has near the athletes that LSU has.
 
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papatomany said:
I've thought this all along and really expected him to flourish under Miles.
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Have always thought this as well and I'm glad he is doing well at LSU. He is a thorn in Bama's side and that is fine with me.

However at UT I thought part of Fulmer's problem was letting Chavis have complete control of the defense and even controlling who his coaches were. Fulmer, as the HC, had no say in hiring/firing defensive asst's without Chavis ok and that was wrong IMO.

We see at LSU, now that he doesn't have the luxury, how much more effective he can be with really good position coaches instead of long time buddies.

He was also particulary ornory to guys like Rodney Gardner and Trooper Taylor. Heard a story that when Garner left he basically jumped Chavis in a coaches meeting and told him to get off his backside and do some recruiting instead of complaining and griping at everyone else.
 
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Bigun said:
Have always thought this as well and I'm glad he is doing well at LSU. He is a thorn in Bama's side and that is fine with me.

However at UT I thought part of Fulmer's problem was letting Chavis have complete control of the defense and even controlling who his coaches were. Fulmer, as the HC, had no say in hiring/firing defensive asst's without Chavis ok and that was wrong IMO.

We see at LSU, now that he doesn't have the luxury, how much more effective he can be with really good position coaches instead of long time buddies.

He was also particulary ornory to guys like Rodney Gardner and Trooper Taylor. Heard a story that when Garner left he basically jumped Chavis in a coaches meeting and told him to get off his backside and do some recruiting instead of complaining and griping at everyone else.
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I don't really agree that the DC shouldn't have majority control in who his assistant's are. The DC wants guys that he works well with and have the same philosophy.

I also agree that 3rd and Chavis was a good example of how a head coaches mentality and philosophy influences the other coaches. It's clear that isn't an issue at LSU because Miles isn't an overly conservative coach. Coordinators simply coach within the confines of what the head coach wants to do and Fulmer was an extremely conservative coach. Glad the Chief is doing well and do miss him but we have a good one in Wilcox.
 
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VegasVol said:
As evidenced by the whopping 16 points and 21 points Florida under Meyer managed in their first 2 tries against Chavis.
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It's almost like this is dead wrong - again. So unlike you to just make up stats.
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I really like Phil but I truly believe that he micro-managed Chavis and Cut!! The proof is the success of the LSU-D...
 
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Don't get all this retroactive love for Chavis. Our defense under him was average at best nearly every year since like '02.

Sure it's already been said ad nauseum, but I'm sure there are some out there who refuse to recognize it: Could it be possible he's a very average d coordinator who happens to look good because he has one of the best collections of defensive talent ever amassed in college football?
 
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milohimself said:
Don't get all this retroactive love for Chavis. Our defense under him was average at best nearly every year since like '02.

Sure it's already been said ad nauseum, but I'm sure there are some out there who refuse to recognize it: Could it be possible he's a very average d coordinator who happens to look good because he has one of the best collections of defensive talent ever amassed in college football?
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Top 5 defenses in 2005 and consistently in the top 10-15 overall defense almost every year he was here. Explain how that is mediocre?
 
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armchair said:
There were a LOT of idiots on this board who criticized Chavis--and made fools of themselves for doing so. He was the best coach on the UT staff. We had two outstanding defenses in recent years--2007 was one of them, as I recall, can't remember the other (couple of years before)--and two pathetic offenses to go with them.
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Yea, 2007 was an incredible defense. We gave up 59 points to Florida. And, we also allowed 4.7 yards per run, which was the highest in the history of Tennessee football. Truly great stuff by Chief.
 
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PermaVol said:
Top 5 defenses in 2005 and consistently in the top 10-15 overall defense almost every year he was here. Explain how that is mediocre?
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How could we have a national top 5 defense in 2005 when we were 6th in the SEC in scoring and total D? And that was by far our best defense in the four seasons from '04-'07.
 
#73
#73
Fact of the matter is this: I'm sure LSU fans love him, but it would take some truly epic ****ing-up to look bad with that group of players. The defensive talent they've pulled since Saban has been there would easily rival or beat any group Knoxville has seen since anyone can remember, including Al Wilson/Leonard Little.

So while the Fulmer slurpers are desperately searching for straws to say "See what we missed?!" the rest of us have ten years of statistics and game proof that shows Chief's defenses were no more than average just about every year for quite some time.
 
#74
#74
My bigger gripe about Chavis even more than 3rd and Chavis was his uncanny ability to give up game winning drives when we needed a stop or when we had been playing defense pretty well all game.
 
#75
#75
Why is Chavis not considered for HC position? Everyone with any knowledge about football knows that Chief is one of the very best defensive minds in college football. Is his lack of personality(See Saban)! Does he understand SEC Football (YES)! Does he love Tennessee (YES)! Will he tell you jokes after a game (NO)! Will he make excuses (NO)!j Will Tennessee ever hire Gruden, Del Rio, Jeff Fisher, Saban, Les Miles, etc.? No

Firing a coaching staff that lost 50 games in 17 YEARS and replaced with two coaching staffs that loses 21 games in 3 YEARS----PRICELESS
 
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