Charting every pass from South Carolina game

#127
#127
BruinVol said:
You see the game winning TD pass?

no touch on that one ?
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I’m with you. I think he can drop the hard ball in there all day. Every bad ball that I recall was a wide open receiver. It’s like his eyes get big and he misses the wide open lay up. Silver lining that maybe he makes the throw against the teams with better coverage?
 
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#128
volfan102455 said:
I bet Peyton Manning is glad he played at Tennessee before social media and football forums were such a thing. JG could have been 30 out of 31 with 1 badly thrown pass and you all would have hammered him for that.
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I'll take a Heisman Frontrunner and runner up any day of the week over someone as inconsistent as what we've seen the past 3-4 years.

And if those 30 passes were all two or three yard dump offs and the one miss was a wide open TD to win a game...sure..I'd criticize him.
 
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#129
FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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JG bad passes.

2:27
4:16 - Overthrown. Amazing catch. Probably being too picky here.
6:10
6:25
9:20
9:47 - Miscommunication. Probably on receiver.
10:56
17:26
17:41
18:46
18:52
21:51
 
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#130
#130
sjt18 said:
I am not sure why Pulaski and k-town are so defensive with JG. I have a suspicion for k-town but do not want to think that of Pulaski.
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They're not the same.

You're one of the best I've seen on Volnation at not responding to vitriol from other users and maintaining discussion without discarding rationale logic. But even you've had a post or two when you got caught up in zeitgeist without logic.

I made a thread & posted pro-Pruitt (Don't fire him) content at 0-2 last year. For every reasonable response, pro or anti my argument, I think I got about 10 replies calling me an "idiot settling for 5 wins" or "Mrs Pruitt"......... I'm glad I didn't get caught up championing Pruitt. It just wasn't worth my time.

When I first noticed Pulaski in 2018 he mainly just seemed to be calling out vitriolic shots at JG to me. It's hard to patiently stick to reason & logic, like you're good at, when you're getting hyperbole & insults thrown at you.

I think he just went in too deep defending JG. Every time I've caught myself becoming antagonistic with Pulaski & extended the olive branch, he's met me halfway.

He isn't like that other fundamentally dishonest guy you mentioned.
 
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#131
BruinVol said:
Good post

I’d argue there is no such thing as “too hard” when fitting the ball into a tight window like that throw was. The WR just had to catch it. If the throw is softer it brings a pick into play.
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Not actually when the ball is way too hard for an nfl receiver to handle and not on target either - uncatchable ball /
100 out of 100 no one could catch that pass.
Even was commented on by the play by play guy at the time.
 
#132
#132
PandamoniumReigns said:
Is third down not when he needs to be?
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Not worried at all about it as history says this same group is capable of being really good as they were a season ago. Keep basing everything on the 1st game of the season though as I'm sure we'll play every game the exact same the next 9. Good grief do you really think that we are going to remain that bad all season. Once again as you don't seem to understand, saying Gray goes down too easily is just common sense, even the guy you're trying to buddy up with in this post says the same thing and that honest critique is nothing near the vitriol that the neverJG crowd throws at our QB1. I also don't call for Gray to be benched, I'd like to see him used in space more. He had 40 yards on 12 carries, 20 yac at the most and that is probably being generous, not good by SEC standards but I feel he's got the talent to be a productive back at UT so I'm not freaking out over it as the neverJG crowd is over JGs play.

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#133
FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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Also, 5 of 12 incomplete from coverage, drops, or the one you attributed to a bad route (I’m certain an underclassmen ran at least a route or two more incorrectly). Without the additional context, the coverage throws, drop, and 1 bad route would put him 24/31. Is that a good completion percentage? Just asking.
 
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#134
#134
PulaskiVolFan said:
Not worried at all about it as history says this same group is capable of being really good as they were a season ago. Keep basing everything on the 1st game of the season though as I'm sure we'll play every game the exact same the next 9. Good grief do you really think that we are going to remain that bad all season. Once again as you don't seem to understand, saying Gray goes down too easily is just common sense, even the guy you're trying to buddy up with in this post says the same thing and that honest critique is nothing near the vitriol that the neverJG crowd throws at our QB1. I also don't call for Gray to be benched, I'd like to see him used in space more. He had 40 yards on 12 carries, 20 yac at the most and that is probably being generous, not good by SEC standards but I feel he's got the talent to be a productive back at UT so I'm not freaking out over it as the neverJG crowd is over JGs play.

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Thanks for providing this graphic for the slow of mind. Seriously.
 
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#135
cncchris33 said:
That's a really good point, and I'm glad you charted it. So, I guess that is really why his poor throws stuck out to those who don't believe he played a great game. In addition to being just bad, errant throws, they killed drives and gave the ball back to South Carolina. Perhaps they are a little more forgettable if they happen on 1st or 2nd down.

I feel like he was decent, especially against a very good USC secondary that has two early round NFL corners (though both missed large portions of the 2nd half). He didn't commit any TOs, which was huge in a close game, and he made the big plays to Johnson and Palmer to score the go-ahead TD, which were his two best throws of the night.
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Thanks for your reason and rationale. Share with the class more please. They seem to be focused on eating paste.
 
#136
#136
Fullfillmer said:
Not actually when the ball is way too hard for an nfl receiver to handle and not on target either - uncatchable ball /
100 out of 100 no one could catch that pass.
Even was commented on by the play by play guy at the time.
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The play by play guy also said Chandler scored when it was really Gray who scored.
 
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#138
volfan102455 said:
I bet Peyton Manning is glad he played at Tennessee before social media and football forums were such a thing. JG could have been 30 out of 31 with 1 badly thrown pass and you all would have hammered him for that.
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False!!!!, I want him to be good, along with everybody else, his numbers are just terrible. He has been bad since BJ days. He would be loved otherwise, social media has nothing to do with it.
 
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#139
#139
BruinVol said:
Most of the overthrows were due to pressure up the middle imo. He didn’t step into the throws well
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Yes that delAyed pressure up the middle got us every single freaking time. It’s like if our center has to wait too long for a defender he automatically double teams instead of just playing his area. Hopefully the coaches fix that after watching film this week.
 
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#140
#140
2GeeZ4VolZ said:
Also, 5 of 12 incomplete from coverage, drops, or the one you attributed to a bad route (I’m certain an underclassmen ran at least a route or two more incorrectly). Without the additional context, the coverage throws, drop, and 1 bad route would put him 24/31. Is that a good completion percentage? Just asking.
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We dont deal in context here
..freshman are expected to play at the same level as the 5th yr QB....hence the dowing on BMs play last year....so no per PulaskiVolFan freshman dont get s pass on lack of knowledge or inconsistency only JG
 
#141
#141
We will find out quickly how big JJ was in 3rd downs and how much they did help or how much his lack of speed hurt us....
 
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#142
#142
FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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The running game could have been better, but I place this on not being able to practice enough, they looked rusty, made catches and throws when they really needed them. No one is perfect.
 
#144
#144
whodeycin85 said:
We will find out quickly how big JJ was in 3rd downs and how much they did help or how much his lack of speed hurt us....
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jmo but Calloway and JJ were way overrated by this fan base. Sure they were good players but let’s be honest if they were in the elite class of SEC WRs as we like to think we would checking the nfl box scores to see how well they were doing on Sunday’s. Draft day should have been eye opening for us in this regard
 
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#145
#145
BruinVol said:
jmo but Calloway and JJ were way overrated by this fan base. Sure they were good players but let’s be honest if they were in the elite class of SEC WRs as we like to think we would checking the nfl box scores to see how well they were doing on Sunday’s. Draft day should have been eye opening for us in this regard
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Being a good/great college receiver does not necessarily always mean you will be a good/great NFL receiver. There have been plenty of great college WRs that never made a huge impact in the NFL.
 
#146
#146
BruinVol said:
jmo but Calloway and JJ were way overrated by this fan base. Sure they were good players but let’s be honest if they were in the elite class of SEC WRs as we like to think we would checking the nfl box scores to see how well they were doing on Sunday’s. Draft day should have been eye opening for us in this regard
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No doubt. They were good by TN standards and the best we had at the time, but nobody outside TN really thought they had much of a chance after college.
 
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#147
#147
FBtime said:
Being a good/great college receiver does not necessarily always mean you will be a good/great NFL receiver. There have been plenty of great college WRs that never made a huge impact in the NFL.
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Sure I agree but there aren’t that many the other way either. Meaning not many that aren’t good in college that are good in the nfl. Bottom line is JJ and Calloway were high in production and low on talent imo. We need guys that are high in both and maybe these young guys can develop quickly into that.
 
#149
#149
BruinVol said:
Sure I agree but there aren’t that many the other way either. Meaning not many that aren’t good in college that are good in the nfl. Bottom line is JJ and Calloway were high in production and low on talent imo. We need guys that are high in both and maybe these young guys can develop quickly into that.
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JJ and Calloway were not star by any means. IMO they bailed JG out alot more then he helped them....
Both are on NFL roster qhos to say thier production and stats wouldnt have been better with an accurate and consistent QB
 
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