Charting every pass from South Carolina game

[Tnman1]

Reading the PFF SEC QB grades for week one on another forum, Yikes!

 

[USAFgolferVol]

At least he went to the right guy each time and on time.
He just needs to get the overthrows under control and he would have had an All SEC type game like everyone wants.

He throws late more often than he throws on time. He's not near all-SEC caliber. He doesn't anticipate nor does ever throw a receiver open. We had guys open all night.....he still telegraphs his throws far too often

 

[nirwin]

So maybe I think about things differently than most, but if you miss a wide open receiver on 3rd down that would have resulted in a 1st that is the same as a turnover, so I would argue he had at least 3 turnovers.

Yeah...they're not. Because when he does that, we can still get a field goal on it. Or punt the football in the worst-case scenario. But if you're looking at situations where we put points on the board as turnovers...you're like, drastically changing the definition of the stat.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Just watching all the 3rd downs again I was floored at how many 3rd and 2-3 yard plays we had and only tried one dang run on those distances.

Makes it easier on JG if the defense has to guard the run

Maybe either Tee Hodge, Jabari Small, Whitehead or even Beckworth (with some twists) was a late health scratch, but had gotten all the 3rd/4th down short yardage practice reps?

That doesn't really explain Chaney not having a few more short yardage plays he could have trusted Chandler with as hard as he'd been hitting the line. Or even giving Crouch a rep or two, even though we had worked him like a rented mule on D.

Then again, who can forget the infamous game costing play vs USCe in 2016 with Dobbs & (Kelly or Fil-Aim?) fumbling because our RB didn't know how to get set up in the formation?

 

[volmoon]

#8 - I totally believe Keyton looked over the wrong shoulder. He ran post-right and looked over his left shoulder.

 

[volmoon]

#8 - I totally believe Keyton looked over the wrong shoulder. He ran post-right and looked over his left shoulder.

It would have been 6, or close to it.

 

[volmanjr]

Funny thing is typically JG in past yrs has been good on 3rd down.

but last year he was throwing to Calloway and Jennings and Jennings made alot of 1st downs on YACs, also seemed like he had better throws to his 2 seniors than his other recievers (JMO)

 

[whodeycin85]

Reading the PFF SEC QB grades for week one on another forum, Yikes!

Link

 

[VFL-82-JP]

By the way, @FBtime, in my opinion this thread is the perfect example of the power of these fan boards, and their greatest interest for me. The ability to apply clean logic, almost the scientific method, to figure out what really happened, to understand the game better, to get the most out of the limited number of hours of Vols football we have each year...it's golden. If we had a hundred threads like this every week, it would be a fan's paradise.

And on top of these, the synthesis threads like @OneManGang's and @DiderotsGhost's. Analysis, followed by synthesis. Taking it all apart to understand, and putting it all back together to reach some valid conclusions. Simply perfect use of fan forums.

Thanks for this one!

 

[VolsnRavens]

I have to say that there is still some adjustment for him for his throws that he didn't have to do last year. He had so many 50/50 balls when we had the receivers to go up and get them. He didn't throw the 50/50's at SC. So I'll give him some slack. Let's see what he does this week at home. If he improves on those overthrows, I'll be impressed, but if we see the same thing as this past week, then I don't believe he'll get us past GA, FL, and definitely not ALA.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

From what I see this is a timing issue, he's late then rushes the throw. In the past it's been on him, could it be that timing is off due to chemistry with receivers, possibly but given his history it's hard for me to give the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully he can correct this and anticipate and make the throw on schedule.

The timing has been slow for four years. It’s just an indicator of JG abilities to process what he is seeing in front of him. Confidence can factor into it. Some guys have it , some never will no matter how much they work on it.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I will tell you that of the 3rd down passes that should have been completed, probably 4 out of 6 were clean pockets. He was not under duress on most throws.

The only throw I remember JG being under duress was the pass to a wide open Brandon Johnson. That was a good play by JG. The OL did very well in pass protection.

 

[BeardedVol]

The only throw I remember JG being under duress was the pass to a wide open Brandon Johnson. That was a good play by JG. The OL did very well in pass protection.

You really can't count it as "under pressure" if the pressure doesn't occur till after the 3 second mark in the pocket. The ball should no longer be in the QB's hand by that point.

 

[boeninghaus]

JG attempted 6 passes beyond 20 yards and completed 2/6. One could have easily have been caught by Keyton and one was PI on South Carolina. He also threw 6 passes between 11-20 yards and connected on 2 of those. The rest of his 19 passes were within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Of those 19 passes only 5 were caught beyond 5 yards past line of scrimmage.That leaves 9 receptions within 5 yards of the LOS. Our WRs had 105 yards after catch leaving JG with 154 yards thrown in the air.

 

[Sarms58]

I like the no INTs (and there were no close calls either) and that only 3 incompletions were viewed as being due to coverage. Clearly he’s making better choices and we have talent at the receive position.

We rushed for 10 net yards in the first half but for 123 in the second. We’re going to need to average about 100/half rushing if we want JG to be able have easier throws. Also, when JG ran it was like the first time I’ve ever seen him look like he was a dual threat QB...

I’m more optimistic now than I was right after the game Saturday night. We have a shot at a winning season but can’t lose any of our winnable games...

 

[Sarms58]

There were two front tosses to Velus Jones (#3 and #31). There was one dump off to a RB (Grey).

And never have I been so happy to see JG see the open RB for the dump pass...he’s taken plenty of sacks in the past with his safety valve guy wide open...

 

[HARTUPM]

Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.

3rd down is when SC sent the dawgs. Rarely do you see JG actually step up in the pocket, scramble or do much under pressure other than throw an incompletion or get sacked.

 

[MWAVolfan]

but last year he was throwing to Calloway and Jennings and Jennings made alot of 1st downs on YACs, also seemed like he had better throws to his 2 seniors than his other recievers (JMO)

Calloway and Jennings could also make circus catches on throws than would have been incompletions to normal receivers. They made JG look way better than he was.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.

Great analysis! I know its asking a lot but also putting where on the field the incomplete passes occurred helps highlight how the incompletions killed the drive that otherwise would have gone for points.

Notice that only one pass was dropped by a WR. Pretty freaking good.

And all those overthrows is the reason JG doesnt have many INTs. Nobody, not even the defense can catch his overthrows (I guess that's a positive???)

 

[LordBolton]

Seems like what I see is that JG has the skills, but when it's clutch time he just doesn't come through far too mich of the time. That being said, when the lead was lost, he stepped up with a couple of big time strikes. He can do it, it just doesn't happen often enough to be elite.

 

[sjt18]

#8 - I totally believe Keyton looked over the wrong shoulder. He ran post-right and looked over his left shoulder.

Maybe. But he did not hesitate and was "leaning" the route in that direction.

 

[sjt18]

Reading the PFF SEC QB grades for week one on another forum, Yikes!

Can you elaborate or provide a link if it isn't a Paid Site?

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You really can't count it as "under pressure" if the pressure doesn't occur till after the 3 second mark in the pocket. The ball should no longer be in the QB's hand by that point.

It was a rollout to the left if I remember correctly and JG just barely got the pass off. I will have to rewatch the play but I don’t believe he held on to the ball very long.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

#8 - I totally believe Keyton looked over the wrong shoulder. He ran post-right and looked over his left shoulder.

Depends on the positioning of the Db’s. It may be a read option on the pattern. Hard to tell who was at fault on that one.

 

[8354ever]

Dear gracious. Lord have mercy the poor kid can’t even celebrate game winning TD passes now without it being called a proof of his bad attitude

Smdh

An attitude can help someone be great or can hold someone back from being great. In JG's case I think it's holding him back. I think he has all the tools and ability to be great, but it's attitude that's holding him back. Now that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.