Charting every pass from South Carolina game

#27
#27
8354ever said:
JG's biggest issue today is what it was in game one, his attitude. It is not mechanics or ability, he can do it, he obviously does in practice when no fans are watching. However, in a games he wants to show everyone that he is great so he pushes harder, hence the problem on money downs. Just watch when he makes a good play like the TD pass and him shooting the arrow, and him walking around with the ball after the game like he deserved the game ball. He wants to be great and just pushes to hard, when he could be if he didn't push.
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Dear gracious. Lord have mercy the poor kid can’t even celebrate game winning TD passes now without it being called a proof of his bad attitude

Smdh
 
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#28
#28
BruinVol said:
Agreed he has struggled with that but in the play in question I think a fastball was warranted
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He had Gray open in the left flat, with only a DE to beat one on one. I'd take those odds over trying to fire that ball in there to Johnson.
 
#31
#31
FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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From what I see this is a timing issue, he's late then rushes the throw. In the past it's been on him, could it be that timing is off due to chemistry with receivers, possibly but given his history it's hard for me to give the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully he can correct this and anticipate and make the throw on schedule.
 
#33
#33
So maybe I think about things differently than most, but if you miss a wide open receiver on 3rd down that would have resulted in a 1st that is the same as a turnover, so I would argue he had at least 3 turnovers.
 
#34
#34
waltrip22 said:
So maybe I think about things differently than most, but if you miss a wide open receiver on 3rd down that would have resulted in a 1st that is the same as a turnover, so I would argue he had at least 3 turnovers.
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Very very different

many coaches preach that every possession needs to end with a kick and we did that Saturday(minus the punting issue)

We lose the game if that wasn’t true
 
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#35
#35
waltrip22 said:
So maybe I think about things differently than most, but if you miss a wide open receiver on 3rd down that would have resulted in a 1st that is the same as a turnover, so I would argue he had at least 3 turnovers.
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So are you going to count drops and bad routes as yards and completions for him? What about an extra td when the other players mess up a drive?
 
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#39
#39
MocVol said:
I like and appreciate what you did here. What I would like to see though is how many of those completions were on short throws (like ones to backs behind the line) or on those little passes (more like handoffs, but forward) to the WR that runs right in front of him. I think those passes increase his completion stats and are throws that grandma could have made.
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Why does that matter, pretty sure every QB does the same thing. But go ahead, take the 5 attempts, 5 completions and the 29 yards V Jones had from his stats and tell us all the big difference in his completion pct, make sure to include the yards per completion as that is the one that would change the most.
 
#40
#40
k-town_king said:
At least he went to the right guy each time and on time.
He just needs to get the overthrows under control and he would have had an All SEC type game like everyone wants.
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I'll say this, I've been occasionally vocal about my frustration with Guarantano's inconsistencies and all. But, it at least looks like he has been spending a good bit of time in the film room because his mental game appears to have improved. Like you said, he needs to get the accuracy (*in critical situations) part squared away and he'll be dangerous. I don't know if it's 3rd down jitters coming off a really weird offseason, but hopefully Chaney and he can get it sorted out.
 
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#42
Maybe I missed but JG throws every pass like he’s playing dodgeball. Can’t remember a QB that throws a less catchable ball. He avoided the big mistake yes but has absolutely ZERO touch. Almost like he’s trying to show how strong of arm he has. In contrast, Trask looks like he floats every ball but it’s always in the perfect spot and so much more catchable.
 
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FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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Good break down. Can I ask for a few more things to add? On the incomplete passes.. Can you list if any had a defensive player rushing. List which were 1 and 2 down throws also. GoVols!
 
#44
#44
FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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this is a quality post!

I think you may have cracked the code on JG!

He gets nervous on third downs. the * show it more clearly than anything I've seen on paper.

they need to go hurry up so he can't think or

call a play that doesn't involve a pass.
 
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wjr2b2 said:
Maybe I missed but JG throws every pass like he’s playing dodgeball. Can’t remember a QB that throws a less catchable ball. He avoided the big mistake yes but has absolutely ZERO touch. Almost like he’s trying to show how strong of arm he has. In contrast, Trask looks like he floats every ball but it’s always in the perfect spot and so much more catchable.
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You see the game winning TD pass?

no touch on that one ?
 
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wjr2b2 said:
Maybe I missed but JG throws every pass like he’s playing dodgeball. Can’t remember a QB that throws a less catchable ball. He avoided the big mistake yes but has absolutely ZERO touch. Almost like he’s trying to show how strong of arm he has. In contrast, Trask looks like he floats every ball but it’s always in the perfect spot and so much more catchable.
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He had two passes in a row that had a little touch. I was shocked!
 
#50
#50
FïreBall said:
Good break down. Can I ask for a few more things to add? On the incomplete passes.. Can you list if any had a defensive player rushing. List which were 1 and 2 down throws also. GoVols!
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I will tell you that of the 3rd down passes that should have been completed, probably 4 out of 6 were clean pockets. He was not under duress on most throws.
 
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