Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[InVOLuntary]

5 second Google search...

"you should want to meet a future husband that makes enough money that you can quit [your career]"


Again, the internet is forever dude, you can't get away from this.

Lol, you think that is some gotcha? Were does he say that he thinks that should be mandatory? Sure, he thinks women would be happier with raising kids. He preaches that. He never says the woman should be subservient. I believe you hate him because it goes against your left wing liberal utopia. "I have to be miserable, everyone has to be miserable " It's jealousy. You and yours are pathetic, miserable human beings and I feel sorry for you.

And I quote" I want to live in a country where IF A WOMAN DOESN’T WANT TO GO TO WORK AND HAVE KIDS SHE CAN STAY AT HOME AND RAISE THOSE KIDS". Why do you hate women?

 

[InVOLuntary]

I thought you leftist were pro choice. Is that only when they are conforming to your left wing ideology? How sexist of you. Maybe you are the ones that want to control women.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Elon Musk Leads Mass Netflix Membership Cancellations After Company’s Children’s Cartoon Creator Smears Charlie Kirk as a ‘Nazi’​

Billionaire Elon Musk has added his name to the mushrooming number of consumers cancelling their Netflix membership after the streaming giant’s children’s cartoon show creator Hamish Steele smeared slain conservative icon Charlie Kirk as a “Nazi.”

Steele, an animator credited with creating the Netflix cartoon series Dead End: Paranormal Park, took to BlueSky after Kirk was assassinated and defamed the conservative firebrand in a vile tirade.

Elon Musk Leads Mass Netflix Membership Cancellations After Company's Children’s Cartoon Creator Smears Charlie Kirk as a ‘Nazi’

Billionaire Elon Musk has added his name to the mushrooming number of consumers cancelling their Netflix membership after the streaming giant's children's cartoon show creator Hamish Steele smeared slain conservative icon Charlie Kirk as a "Nazi."

www.breitbart.com

 

[Vol8188]

Lol, so your proposing that Erika Kirk regrets her decision to get an education and have a career before she got married and had kids?

You're going to need to cite your work on this one.

Did Erika make this statement or did Charlie? This is such a weird line of attack.

 

[Smokey123]

This is simple....In your opinion, did Charlie Kirk want black people to be judged by the color of their skin, or by their skill/ability as a person?

Is looking at a black pilot and automatically questioning if they’re qualified judging his skill?

 

[Smokey123]

Am I the only one who thinks TPUSA will slowly fade into obscurity without CK?

I could see it. Charlie has big shoes to fill and I think this will push different conservatives to go on college tours again. Steven crowder just announced he’s coming back to campuses

 

[KB5252]

Yeah, we all know that religion is rife with "do as I say, not as I do", that doesn't some how make people immune from being called out for their hypocrisy, when they demand of others, what they weren't even willing to do themselves.

Erika waited till she was 33 to get married and start having kids. Charlie told his followers that women should forego a career, find their husband before 25 and focus on kids and the home. He couldn't even be bothered to seek out one of the "uber fertile" women in the magical age range that he felt was ideal for having kids. Hell, Erika didn't even stop focusing on her career after she got married and had kids, she was the CEO of the Corcoran Group.

Everyone is a hypocrite my friend, even you. In part it's kinda the whole point and basis of Christianity isn't it?

You're trying to hold people to an impossible standard they themselves even admit isn't attainable. Don't you find it silly to attempt to hold someone to a standard that isn't attainable in an attempt to discredit them?

 

[CobbVol]

Am I the only one who thinks TPUSA will slowly fade into obscurity without CK?

Maybe, however I do not see the conservatives leaving the area of higher and public education to be dominated by progressives like it has been for the past 50 years. Those days are in the process of being long gone.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Is looking at a black pilot and automatically questioning if they’re qualified judging his skill?

Again, for the 100th time, it wasn't about his race. It was about the airline lowering the standards to reach racial quotas. It was exactly what Martin Luther King preached. Judge people on their character not their skin color. DEI is an insult to minorities. Its telling them they have to get special treatment to get the job.

 

[Smokey123]

Again, for the 100th time, it wasn't about his race. It was about the airline lowering the standards to reach racial quotas. It was exactly what Martin Luther King preached. Judge people on their character not their skin color. DEI is an insult to minorities. It’s telling them they have to get special treatment to get the job.

I’m fully aware of what he said and the context it was said in. Saying it wasn’t about race is insanely intellectually dishonest. Looking at someone and assuming they’re not qualified because of the color of their skin is about race no matter how you try to spin it.

So there’s more black pilots now to meet racial quotas and it’s dropping the quality? Why are plane crashes lower than any point in history and majority of crashes and not the pilots fault.
Can you provide examples of black pilots crashing?

 

[Smokey123]

Again, for the 100th time, it wasn't about his race. It was about the airline lowering the standards to reach racial quotas. It was exactly what Martin Luther King preached. Judge people on their character not their skin color. DEI is an insult to minorities. Its telling them they have to get special treatment to get the job.

But again. My question remains that never got answered. is looking at a black person and assuming they’re not qualified judging based off their skill or appearance? You can use this for any race. If I look at a white man and assume he’s not good at basketball, it’s me judging based off race and not skill. Denying this is dishonest

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The concern that I have with this is extrapolating one Company's hiring goals to every non-white non-male in the industry.....

 

[KB5252]

I’m fully aware of what he said and the context it was said in. Saying it wasn’t about race is insanely intellectually dishonest. Looking at someone and assuming they’re not qualified because of the color of their skin is about race no matter how you try to spin it.

So there’s more black pilots now to meet racial quotas and it’s dropping the quality? Why are plane crashes lower than any point in history and majority of crashes and not the pilots fault.
Can you provide examples of black pilots crashing?

I'm not taking sides in you guys argument about this but your last sentence struck me. Pilot errors most often do not result in crashes because if fail safes. What would be of benefit to your discussion is a detailed list of cases where pilot error was found. If that rate did it did not increase could be proof positive or rule out lowering standards possibly.

But I don't think that addresses the core of what Kirk was attempting to communicate. It's that you can look at the pilot and wonder if they are the best pilot, or if they are the best pilot of any minority group. That's a valid question IMO and asking it does not make one racist, the mere adherence to quotas or DEI standards over ensuring highest possible standard of competency and aptitude invites it.

I'm my opinion it cheapens the achievements of minorities, it's a needless insult. However IMO if they meet the standards and have equal aptitude and competency as any other candidate, if you want to prioritize them I have no problem with that.

I guess what I'm saying is in cases where your job literally effects people's lives you should be the best of the best and no serious employer should ever insinuate anything other than the best person is in that seat, behind that scalpel, addressing that judge on your behalf etc, and no initiatives from your employer should call that into question.

DEI as an idea isn't a problem as a principle, it can be a problem in application however.

 

[NashVol11]

What makes it controversial? Very good question indeed.

The weirdest exercise of all is the contortions many make to take a statement of truth racist.

He made a statement, and has clarified that statement repeatedly, to the point that any belief it was racist in nature isn't intellectually honest.

The whole point is very easily explained:

Airline A announces diversity policy

Person flying airline sees AA pilot, person wonders is he or she the best pilot, or is he or she is the best AA pilot that they could find.

Simply put he doesn't believe race should be a component of the interview or hiring process. It should count neither against or for you.

How is that on any way racist? You see, in every statement there is an area to read between the lines. You read between the lines "oh he must be racist" I see the point he's making and agree with it to a large extent. Which leads me to my next point which answers the great question you asked......... This is exactly what makes it controversial.

The bolded IS racist, my guy. Do they do that when they see a white pilot, or only an AA one? What is the differentiating factor between those two pilots?

 

[KB5252]

The bolded IS racist, my guy. Do they do that when they see a white pilot, or only an AA one? What is the differentiating factor between those two pilots?

Only if United Airlines stated they were going to prioritize white pilots..

It isn't racist at all. If airline A says it's going to prioritize minority candidates that insinuates or at the very least invites the question.

Now if they stated they only wanted the best of the best and would like to see more minorities in their cockpits that's fine. The best person in that seat regardless of race, shouldn't even be a factor. And that's exactly what Kirk communicated many times.

Again, were right back to that reading between the lines thing aren't we?

 

[jp1]

I didn't call it hateful. I said Ignorant.

My mistake on that. Care to explain?

 

[Smokey123]

I'm not taking sides in you guys argument about this but your last sentence struck me. Pilot errors most often do not result in crashes because if fail safes. What would be of benefit to your discussion is a detailed list of cases where pilot error was found. If that rate did it did not increase could be proof positive or rule out lowering standards possibly.

But I don't think that addresses the core of what Kirk was attempting to communicate. It's that you can look at the pilot and wonder if they are the best pilot, or if they are the best pilot of any minority group. That's a valid question IMO and asking it does not make one racist, the mere adherence to quotas or DEI standards over ensuring highest possible standard of competency and aptitude invites it.

I'm my opinion it cheapens the achievements of minorities, it's a needless insult. However IMO if they meet the standards and have equal aptitude and competency as any other candidate, if you want to prioritize them I have no problem with that.

I guess what I'm saying is in cases where your job literally effects people's lives you should be the best of the best and no serious employer should ever insinuate anything other than the best person is in that seat, behind that scalpel, addressing that judge on your behalf etc, and no initiatives from your employer should call that into question.

DEI as an idea isn't a problem as a principle, it can be a problem in application however.

I’ll search for a study on the bolded and will post if I find one.

I’m not arguing for DEI, or even that Charlie was racist. What I’m saying is, it’s silly to say his comment had nothing to do with race and he was judging based off skill.

Black people were barred from being pilots for a veryyyy long time, the first black airline pilot was 1963. I think an estimated 3-3.5% of pilots are black compared to 2010 it was 2.5% not a big jump, certainly doesn’t appear they’re just hiring any ol’ unqualified black man to pilot like some try to represent

I’m actually against the way DEI is applied because I think it’s equity and not equality. But I can also realize looking at a person (of any race) and assuming something about their skill level is quite literally judging them based off appearance

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Only if United Airlines started they were going to prioritize white pilots..

It isn't racist at all. If airline A says it's going to prioritize minority candidates that insinuates or at the very least invites the question.

Now if they stated they only wanted the best of the best and would like to see more minorities in their cockpits that's fine. The best person in that seat regardless of race, shouldn't even be a factor. And that's exactly what Kirk communicated many times.

Again, were right back to that reading between the lines thing aren't we?

Is it OK to extrapolate this to every other AA airline pilot that has been working for a carrier that has been in the 2-3% AA range for a decade plus?

 

[NashVol11]

Only if United Airlines stated they were going to prioritize white pilots..

It isn't racist at all. If airline A says it's going to prioritize minority candidates that insinuates or at the very least invites the question.

Now if they stated they only wanted the best of the best and would like to see more minorities in their cockpits that's fine. The best person in that seat regardless of race, shouldn't even be a factor. And that's exactly what Kirk communicated many times.

Again, we’re right back to that reading between the lines thing aren't we?

If you see a white pilot and a Black pilot and are comfortable with the former's qualifications but worried about the latter's, based on race, that is racist. The word you want to use is to somehow say it's not that bad, or explained by policy, or not from a place of hate or something, but looking at two people doing the same job differently, based on race, is racist. There is no way around that.

 

[jp1]

Is looking at a black pilot and automatically questioning if they’re qualified judging his skill?

That is not what he said. Do you care to answer my question since Nash is afraid to? Did Charlie want black people to be judged on their merit/skill or the color of their skin?

 

[KB5252]

I’ll search for a study on the bolded and will post if I find one.

I’m not arguing for DEI, or even that Charlie was racist. What I’m saying is, it’s silly to say his comment had nothing to do with race and he was judging based off skill.

Black people were barred from being pilots for a veryyyy long time, the first black airline pilot was 1963. I think an estimated 3-3.5% of pilots are black compared to 2010 it was 2.5% not a big jump, certainly doesn’t appear they’re just hiring any ol’ unqualified black man to pilot like some try to represent

I’m actually against the way DEI is applied because I think it’s equity and not equality. But I can also realize looking at a person (of any race) and assuming something about their skill level is quite literally judging them based off appearance

I think assuming and wondering/asking the question are two different things. No assumptions are made.

For example 6 months after 9/11 I boarded a flight and there were two obviously middle eastern men on it, and I sat there with my internal dialogue. Surely they were just men traveling like me ........but the mind asks the questions it asks.

If I had boarded an airline flight 6 months after this diversity announcement and I saw an AA pilot I my mind might wonder. But surely he's an ex air force pilot overly qualified........ But the mind asks the questions it asks. It's a defense mechanism, most intellectually honestly called bigotry, an unfortunate defense mechanism, most often called racism in ignorance.

 

[NashVol11]

It's a defense mechanism, most intellectually honestly called bigotry, an unfortunate defense mechanism, most often called racism in ignorance.

Racism is generally just a race-based subset of bigotry, it seems like you think there is a bigger distinction there

 

[KB5252]

JFC, if you see a white pilot and a Black pilot and are comfortable with the former's qualifications but worried about the latter's, based on race, that is racist. The word you want to use is to somehow say it's not that bad, or explained by policy, or not from a place of hate or something, but looking at two people doing the same job differently, based on race, is racist. There is no way around that.

If the statement by the airline is never made I don't ask the question, I assume its the best guy or gal for the job. If the airline says they want to prioritize white pilots id have a similar problem. The issue isn't the race it's prioritizing based on race. You are conflating two separate things and calling them one.

 

[KB5252]

Racism is generally just a race-based subset of bigotry, it seems like you think there is a bigger distinction there

There absolutely is. We are all bigots. Racism is bigotry on steroids with a superiority complex.

 

[Smokey123]

That is not what he said. Do you care to answer my question since Nash is afraid to? Did Charlie want black people to be judged on their merit/skill or the color of their skin?

“I’m sorry if I see a black pilot I’m going to be like boy I hope he’s qualified” It’s questioning his skill based off race. You can try spinning it however you want it’s intellectually dishonest to say otherwise

Skill. In the quote he even goes on to say “that’s not who I am and I don’t wanna think this way” further clarifying his comments were not who he was.