Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

That’s the unfortunate reality that DEI creates. It naturally creates a level of distrust of minority professionals.
You are making an argument that DEI "creates racism," which does not make the distrust of specifically Black pilots any less racist. It's just an argument about who should be blamed for said racism.

There is no argument that looking at Black and white pilots differently because of their race is not racist. "Distrust of minority professionals" yeah we have a word for that, it's racism
 
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Literally not what he said. He made a perfectly normal argument that DEI creates a lack of trust.

That’s not an extremist argument. It’s one everyone should agree with. You can claim “DEI is still needed despite this”, but rather than have an actual discussion over the topic you just falsely proclaim everyone/everything is racist.

And that is promoted by mainstream left wing publications.
Ignorance on full display or he's lying. Or he is incapable of understanding what Charlie was saying.
 
How about you pull up the definition of racism and let me know how assuming white people are qualified and Black people are unqualified is not racist lol. I'll wait
Have you watched the whole video of him talking about it? If you have and still came to the same conclusion, maybe you are missing the ability to have critical thinking.
 
Have you watched the whole video of him talking about it? If you have and still came to the same conclusion, maybe you are missing the ability to have critical thinking.
I notice you avoided what I said in my last post lol. Assuming a Black pilot is unqualified and a white pilot is qualified is racist, it doesn't matter how you got there. People seem to be confused and thinking that you have to think Black people are genetically inferior for it to be racist
 
Oh, so he is just concerned about the Black pilot population, even the ones with good test scores, because they are Black.

Next time there is an opening at your job, go to HR and say "if it's a Black guy, i'll be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" and let me know how they take it
I can't speak to now, but in years past, women and minorities were given extra chances to complete tasks and standards were lowered in the military. It was a fact. I watched it happen. That being said, I flew with a lot of pilots from all backgrounds and all met the standards. It is just that the average 'white guy' would not be given as many chances to pass. I could tell a few stories, but I won't.
 
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I notice you avoided what I said in my last post lol. Assuming a Black pilot is unqualified and a white pilot is qualified is racist, it doesn't matter how you got there. People seem to be confused and thinking that you have to think Black people are genetically inferior for it to be racist
Let me ask you a simple question, are all black people qualified to be pilots? Are all women qualified to be pilots? Are are white males qualified to be pilots? I know these are hard questions so take your time.
 
You are making an argument that DEI "creates racism," which does not make the distrust of specifically Black pilots any less racist. It's just an argument about who should be blamed for said racism.

There is no argument that looking at Black and white pilots differently because of their race is not racist. "Distrust of minority professionals" yeah we have a word for that, it's racism
You are conflating two issues. DEI and affirmative action created that distrust because they elevated substandard professionals based SOLELY on race (or gender dysphoria in the case of DEI). Neither of those should exist today. DEI relit a fire that was mercifully on the way to dying out. Now it will take decades to get back to where we were.

Anyone that 'distrusts' a pilot based on race... well that is on them... sort of, but the aforementioned programs created that distrust.
 
Let me ask you a simple question, are all black people qualified to be pilots? Are all women qualified to be pilots? Are are white males qualified to be pilots? I know these are hard questions so take your time.
I'll wait for you to do this. Lots of deflections but no answers

How about you pull up the definition of racism and let me know how assuming white people are qualified and Black people are unqualified is not racist lol. I'll wait
 
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You are conflating two issues. DEI and affirmative action created that distrust because they elevated substandard professionals based SOLELY on race (or gender dysphoria in the case of DEI). Neither of those should exist today. DEI relit a fire that was mercifully on the way to dying out. Now it will take decades to get back to where we were.
I'm not conflating anything, I'm saying that "distrust" is racism and people are just arguing about what created it
 
This is why you have zero credibility. What Charlie said was not racist in the context that he said it. You are just the left wing robot that you're programmed to be.
Cool, then it should be easy for you to post the definition of racism and explain why assuming white people are qualified and Black people are unqualified is not racist. Still waiting, or is the dictionary a "left wing robot" as well lmao
 
I'm not conflating anything, I'm saying that "distrust" is racism and people are just arguing about what created it
This is the thing with Charlie Kirk. So many of the things he said had a shock value element and he has so many thousands of hours of tape that it's not hard to figure out how he had such a polarizing impact. Half the country thinks even his follow up, full context explanation is pure racism, and half the country can't see how any reasonable person would disagree with it.

Here's him explaining the original statement when a student asked him about it at one of his on-campus things. He usually brought up something like the NBA in these types of debates. He'd say something like, "the NBA is x% black (I don't know the %, but it's obviously disproportionate to the overall population). Should they make a rule where teams have to draft more white players?" In my opinion, this type of argument is silly when you try to compare necessary skills/talent for professional sports to corporate jobs or jobs that really just need on-the-job experience/training. But this would usually rattle the student at the microphone and he would win the point.

Anyway, here is his explanation:

"Let me tell you exactly what I said, ok. So this was in response, first and foremost, to United Airlines saying that half of their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently, they're 15%. So they wanna go from 15% to 50%. A conversation then ensued about how every time Affirmative Action is employed, standards have to be lowered. There is not a single instance where that does not occur. So then I said, boy, if I see a black pilot, I'm now going to wonder if that individual is qualified or were they selected because of their race, comma...but that is not who I am, but this makes me think this way and I stand completely by that statement. Secondly, DEI and Affirmative Action... what it does, is it lowers the merit, it lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter such as skin color and ethnic background. Now the important question to ask me is, Charlie, do you believe that black pilots can be qualified? Of course! Any individual can be qualified. I want a hiring quota and program that only cares about qualification, not skin color, and thirdly, why does United Airlines care so much about the color of the pilots that are flying them. Shouldn't they just want the best pilots? When you guys are flying from Vegas to Dallas or Vegas to Chicago, are you gonna feel safer or more comfortable when you hit turbulence if you have a diverse pilot or if you have a cockpit of the most qualified people that are there that have proven they know how to fly and land planes."

The student then followed up and asked how he felt about legacies since they seem to have a leg up on getting into certain institutions. Kirk said "Legacies are somewhat against merit, to be consistent. but i will say that a study of legacies has been done because their parents are smart, they're usually pretty smart, and so the moving average is that legacies aren't nearly as unqualified as some affirmative action people, but there are plenty of unqualified legacies that get into Ivy League institutions, to be consistent."

I just don't think his full context quote is that bad. I don't necessarily 100% agree with him in general on his point that Affirmative Action ALWAYS lowers standards, but in this instance I can understand the underlying point that going from 15% to 50% is so drastic an increase that it does make you wonder if you're getting the most qualified person flying the plane. I do wonder why he skipped over the "women" part. He went right to black people.
 
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This is the thing with Charlie Kirk. So many of the things he said had a shock value element and he has so many thousands of hours of tape that it's not hard to figure out how he had such a polarizing impact. Half the country thinks even his follow up, full context explanation is pure racism, and half the country can't see how any reasonable person would disagree with it.

Here's him explaining the original statement when a student asked him about it at one of his on-campus things. He usually brought up something like the NBA in these types of debates. He'd say something like, "the NBA is x% black (I don't know the %, but it's obviously disproportionate to the overall population). Should they make a rule where teams have to draft more white players?" In my opinion, this type of argument is silly when you try to compare necessary skills/talent for professional sports to corporate jobs or jobs that really just need on-the-job experience/training. But this would usually rattle the student at the microphone and he would win the point.

Anyway, here is his explanation:

"Let me tell you exactly what I said, ok. So this was in response, first and foremost, to United Airlines saying that half of their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently, they're 15%. So they wanna go from 15% to 50%. A conversation then ensued about how every time Affirmative Action is employed, standards have to be lowered. There is not a single instance where that does not occur. So then I said, boy, if I see a black pilot, I'm now going to wonder if that individual is qualified or were they selected because of their race, comma...but that is not who I am, but this makes me think this way and I stand completely by that statement. Secondly, DEI and Affirmative Action... what it does, is it lowers the merit, it lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter such as skin color and ethnic background. Now the important question to ask me is, Charlie, do you believe that black pilots can be qualified? Of course! Any individual can be qualified. I want a hiring quota and program that only cares about qualification, not skin color, and thirdly, why does United Airlines care so much about the color of the pilots that are flying them. Shouldn't they just want the best pilots? When you guys are flying from Vegas to Dallas or Vegas to Chicago, are you gonna feel safer or more comfortable when you hit turbulence if you have a diverse pilot or if you have a cockpit of the most qualified people that are there that have proven they know how to fly and land planes."

The student then followed up and asked how he felt about legacies since they seem to have a leg up on getting into certain institutions. Kirk said "Legacies are somewhat against merit, to be consistent. but i will say that a study of legacies has been done because their parents are smart, they're usually pretty smart, and so the moving average is that legacies aren't nearly as unqualified as some affirmative action people, but there are plenty of unqualified legacies that get into Ivy League institutions, to be consistent."

I just don't think his full context quote is that bad. I don't necessarily 100% agree with him in general on his point that Affirmative Action ALWAYS lowers standards, but in this instance I can understand the underlying point that going from 15% to 50% is so drastic an increase that it does make you wonder if you're getting the most qualified person flying the plane. I do wonder why he skipped over the "women" part. He went right to black people.
I think "not that bad" and "not racist" are two different things. I'm sure there are many people who have seen a Black professional and internally questioned their qualifications, or seen a brown person and internally questioned their immigration status or something. But doing that is still racist and IMO, pretending that label doesn't apply isn't doing anyone any favors.

In short I think something can be both racist and also "common" or "not that bad," and that when people see the word "racism" they immediately jump to things like segregation or race science
 
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I'm not conflating anything, I'm saying that "distrust" is racism and people are just arguing about what created it
In this context you'd be more accurate in trying to make "prejudiced" stick. If word got out that people from, IDK, Idaho, were getting pushed to the front regarding their qualifications for X job people that aren't from Idaho might start wondering things. (I'm assuming you're aware these Idaho people could be of any race/gender/ethnicity/whatever)

See, there would be nothing about being from Idaho that prevents a person from being qualified. Hell, literally the BEST person at doing X could be from Idaho. If the perception is that "You know Idahoans are getting advantageous positioning." it absolutely can bring about wondering "So is this one of 'those' Idahoans?" and it would have jackall to do with race or any other aspect of the person outside of being from that state.
 
I think "not that bad" and "not racist" are two different things. I'm sure there are many people who have seen a Black professional and internally questioned their qualifications, or seen a brown person and internally questioned their immigration status or something. But doing that is still racist and IMO, pretending that label doesn't apply isn't doing anyone any favors.

In short I think something can be both racist and also "common" or "not that bad," and that when people see the word "racism" they immediately jump to things like segregation or race science
Again, you don't have the intellectual aptitude to understand. Keep working maybe you will get there.
 
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