Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[SpaceCoastVol]

They killed the nice guy and are doing all they can to vilify him.

It's what the left does.

 

[KB5252]

I thought there had been actual attacks on families, and that was the justification.

Families have been doxxed and that's made against them by cartels and criminal elements in the US.

would it matter to you if the threat was acted upon or not?

 

[LouderVol]

So you think 2 points of data is equally effective as one point of data?

what if we knew their favorite color was green. that would be a second data point, right?

as I said, it depends on the data base they have. unless these doxxers have access to some federal face recognition software/database I don't see a picture being all that helpful to them.

 

[InVOLuntary]

what if we knew their favorite color was green. that would be a second data point, right?

as I said, it depends on the data base they have. unless these doxxers have access to some federal face recognition software/database I don't see a picture being all that helpful to them.

I just want to make sure I understand you. A picture and a name is equal to just the name when it comes to identifying someone? That's your position?

 

[LouderVol]

Families have been doxxed and that's made against them by cartels and criminal elements in the US.

would it matter to you if the threat was acted upon or not?

I mean to me, that is what doxxing actually meant. it was something actually carried out, whether it was getting them fired, suspended, arrested, swatted, killed whatever.

I didn't realize "doxxing" meant only giving out publicly accessible information. that is such an insanely low bar to be worried about that it doesn't even bare consideration. Paparazzi about to become terrorists.

 

[wtmvol]

This is ridiculous.

It says that the memorial must be in “a prominent area” on the main campus of every public college and university in the state.

The bill says the memorial must include “a statue of Charlie Kirk sitting at a table with an empty seat across from him” or one of Kirk and his wife holding their children.

Designs for the statue must be approved by the legislature, the bill says.

The bill says that if schools do not comply with building a memorial, they will face monthly fines.

The bill also mandates that the schools take measures to protect their memorials from vandalism and automatically expel any students caught defacing them, the Guardian reports.

Oklahoma lawmakers propose all public colleges must have a Charlie Kirk memorial statue

Republican lawmakers in Oklahoma proposed a bill this week that would require all public colleges and universities in the state to build a “Charlie Kirk Memorial Plaza” that includes a statue of the late conservative activist.

www.kktv.com

That is one of the stupidest bills I've ever heard of. It sounds like something from the Onion.

 

[LouderVol]

I just want to make sure I understand you. A picture and a name is equal to just the name when it comes to identifying someone? That's your position?

for a civilian, yup.

is your argument that you want to protect federal agents from government agencies? If so, that is not something I have considered before, and seems like a different argument.

on luthers spectrum I would put the usefulness something like, most at the top:


ID number

full name

partial name






who they work for, or which office they are out of.


date of birth.






mothers maiden name, street they grew up on, what was their first car.





picture, that may or may not even match their "profile" picture.




favorite color

protecting their picture/face, just doesn't make sense to me when far more useful information is readily available.

 

[KB5252]

I mean to me, that is what doxxing actually meant. it was something actually carried out, whether it was getting them fired, suspended, arrested, swatted, killed whatever.

I didn't realize "doxxing" meant only giving out publicly accessible information. that is such an insanely low bar to be worried about that it doesn't even bare consideration. Paparazzi about to become terrorists.

Know it means identifying, individuals and publishing it with the intent for harm or intimidation


Let's just go with the literal definition:

search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"

 

[LouderVol]

Know it means identifying, individuals and publishing it with the intent for harm or intimidation


Let's just go with the literal definition:

search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"

fair enough. but I still don't see how that changes anything. its not reason for them to wear masks.

especially because wearing masks doesn't stop that from happening. <--yall really need to address this point.

 

[85SugarVol]

There's no good reason for ICE to hide behind masks.

I have a hard time squaring the right to face your accuser and law enforcement hiding their faces/identity.

I’ve been pondering this. “Torn” was a word I was toying with, but it is the wrong word here - I am not “torn”.

I don’t want to live in a country where masked agents grab people off the street.
I am against this. I am not torn.

But I am a bit apprehensive. There should be some type of protections in place for the good agents (surely they exist) out there.

Seems there should be real protections (or punishments) for doxxing - especially if it results in harms done to agents.

But I don’t know how to do that without still trampling other liberties.

What a shtty situation.

 

[appvol]

Little more context

 

[KB5252]

fair enough. but I still don't see how that changes anything. its not reason for them to wear masks.

especially because wearing masks doesn't stop that from happening. <--yall really need to address this point.

If they can't identify you it's much more difficult to be doxxed.

 

[n_huffhines]

That is one of the stupidest bills I've ever heard of. It sounds like something from the Onion.

Hopefully it's one of those things a couple idiots propose, it doesn't have party-wide support, and nothing comes of it, but I will put nothing past Oklahoma.

 

[appvol]

Hopefully it's one of those things a couple idiots propose, it doesn't have party-wide support, and nothing comes of it, but I will put nothing past Oklahoma.

Well if every schools ask for a TPUSA how can you stop it

 

[InVOLuntary]

for a civilian, yup.

is your argument that you want to protect federal agents from government agencies? If so, that is not something I have considered before, and seems like a different argument.

on luthers spectrum I would put the usefulness something like, most at the top:


ID number

full name

partial name






who they work for, or which office they are out of.


date of birth.






mothers maiden name, street they grew up on, what was their first car.





picture, that may or may not even match their "profile" picture.




favorite color

protecting their picture/face, just doesn't make sense to me when far more useful information is readily available.

I absolutely want to protect federal agents. I was just clarifying that you thought it was just as easy finding officer smith without a picture as easy as it was with a picture. You are welcome to own that.

 

[LouderVol]

If they can't identify you it's much more difficult to be doxxed.

again, having a picture of someone does not make it appreciably easier to doxx someone if you already have their name and whatever identification number.

yall are accepting of far bigger/better pieces of information that leads to doxxing. but having a picture is too far? I don't even know what to compare this to. I guess its like the dems who focus on gun deaths, while ignoring all the other far more prevalent preventable deaths out there.

 

[LouderVol]

I absolutely want to protect federal agents. I was just clarifying that you thought it was just as easy finding officer smith without a picture as easy as it was with a picture. You are welcome to own that.

yeah, I will own it because I tried it myself, without any intent or sharing of the information before yall freak out.

didn't find a database with pictures. I did find a database with names and ID numbers.

 

[hog88]

I’ve been pondering this. “Torn” was a word I was toying with, but it is the wrong word here - I am not “torn”.

I don’t want to live in a country where masked agents grab people off the street.
I am against this. I am not torn.

But I am a bit apprehensive. There should be some type of protections in place for the good agents (surely they exist) out there.

Seems there should be real protections (or punishments) for doxxing - especially if it results in harms done to agents.

But I don’t know how to do that without still trampling other liberties.

What a shtty situation.

It's complicated and I don't know the answer, the only thing I know is that law enforcement feral or local shouldn't be masked.

 

[KB5252]

who already has their name and ID? You are assuming, if it's easily displayed it's typically not seen from distance. Plus that last name Johnson......Garcia...,... How many do you suppose there are? What would be the easiest way to confirm you have the correct guy? Their face is the only real distinguishable characteristics besides weight and health.

So which of these dogs are easiest to identify?

 

[wtmvol]

Well if every schools ask for a TPUSA how can you stop it

If members of a school want a Turning Point club or chapter, they should be able to get one. Same for an LGBTQ club. Mandating it exists is different than allowing a school to have one.

Mandated statues though? Beyond ridiculous. And I think Charlie Kirk would agree with me.

 

[appvol]

If members of a school want a Turning Point club or chapter, they should be able to get one. Same for an LGBTQ club. Mandating it exists is different than allowing a school to have one.

Mandated statues though? Beyond ridiculous. And I think Charlie Kirk would agree with me.

Correct. My wife is a Principal. If you have a Christian Club and someone wants a Satanic club you can’t say no

 

[InVOLuntary]

yeah, I will own it because I tried it myself, without any intent or sharing of the information before yall freak out.

didn't find a database with pictures. I did find a database with names and ID numbers.

 

[85SugarVol]

It's complicated and I don't know the answer, the only thing I know is that law enforcement feral or local shouldn't be masked.

Yes, agreed.

And Feral Law Enforcement doesn’t sound like an outfit one wants to tangle with.

 

[EasternVol]

Did you call me comrade? Would that be insinuating something?

That you're fond of authoritarianism, which you have stated.

 

[EasternVol]

It's enforced groupthink to not enforce participation in a groupthink?

It's enforced groupthink to provide the opportunity for people to voluntarily attend chapters that promote open discussion of alternate views?


OK. I guess.

If students wanted to form such a club they could. It's enforced groupthink when the state mandates the club be formed.