Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

Probably looked better on the Indian girl whose head was shaved at the Temple. They make so much money from hair that only the Catholic Church takes in more money than the temples in India who shave their heads. Chris Rock did a very interesting documentary about extensions/weaves. I watched it on HBO 😆. The average black woman in the documentary spent between $800 and $2000 on their hair which lasts a month to 6 weeks depending on how well they take care of it. He discussed how they will not pay their rent or mortgage to get their hair done. Most of the women in his documentary had boyfriends to help pay for their hair. The Indian girls who grew the hair for years got nothing for it...they believe that they will have 1 entire year of prosperity/good luck for donating it to the temples. The temples then sell the hair by the pound wholesale. It blew my mind. Both my little sisters have real hair. They have never paid for extensions or weaves etc.
speaking from experience, don't donate to Locks of Love. they sell the wigs they make, they don't actually donate them. it pissed me off when I learned that. I didn't donate my hair for some "non profit" to make a profit from.
 
We’ve had fall up several weeks now. Maybe by end of signs even. Xmas will start going g up in October. Wife’s mom died on Xmas eve 23 years ago. She’s done with it by then. There will be no trace of Xmas before we even get to new years.
its depressing the amount of family that dies around the holidays.

My dad, oldest of 4, always hosted Christmas parties for his family after his mom died. One year my uncle died right after getting back home from the party. it took about a decade for us to host another.
 
The killer found him very intolerant too. I’m curious. If your son came home dating another man who believed himself to be a woman and like to dress up as a furry, would you:

A. Embrace their relationship
B. Shun your child
C. Seek immediate mental healthcare for your son

I think your “tolerance” is a root cause here.
C.
By almost 7000 miles
 

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.


Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who
gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism — it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.


Thank you for posting this truth.
 
Of course it can be better. That has been and will always be the case.
So what's the issue with the statement? Why let one man ruin an idea? Not saying this is you but there are many on the left, particularly the fringe, that believe this country isn't and never has been great.
 
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Part of the problem is the definition of "Again." For far too many in the MAGA movement, it means a return to a different demographic equilibrium which favored them and of which they have a hard time letting go.

i think the racist aspect of that slogan is greatly overstated to advance that resentment. I think more and more thoughtful and engaged young people are seeing the decay in their/our society. Being loud, in your face and aggressive......... anarchist mob mentality is entrenching itself across the US.

The racist element in America is insignificant and dieing off. A slogan won't inspire new youth to racism or other forms of fanatisism and hate, but anarchy and lawlessness will. And I'm becoming convinced that's exactly what the left and right are advancing to consolidate more power and hang on to the bitter end.
 
i think the racist aspect of that slogan is greatly overstated to advance that resentment. I think more and more thoughtful and engaged young people are seeing the decay in their/our society. Being loud, in your face and aggressive......... anarchist mob mentality is entrenching itself across the US.

The racist element in America is insignificant and dieing off. A slogan won't inspire new youth to racism or other forms of fanatisism and hate, but anarchy and lawlessness will. And I'm becoming convinced that's exactly what the left and right are advancing to consolidate more power and hang on to the bitter end.
MAGA's invitation for minorities to enter the movement and have loud, clear supported voices does great damage to that tired trope.
 
i think the racist aspect of that slogan is greatly overstated to advance that resentment. I think more and more thoughtful and engaged young people are seeing the decay in their/our society. Being loud, in your face and aggressive......... anarchist mob mentality is entrenching itself across the US.

The racist element in America is insignificant and dieing off. A slogan won't inspire new youth to racism or other forms of fanatisism and hate, but anarchy and lawlessness will. And I'm becoming convinced that's exactly what the left and right are advancing to consolidate more power and hang on to the bitter end.
I really like what you're doing in this post. Racism is much less of a concern than fanatic sectarianism.

Fanatic sectarianism is the excessive, narrow-minded, and intolerant adherence to a specific sect, ideology, or group, combined with a fervent, zealous, and sometimes violent hostility towards those who do not share the same beliefs. It is an extreme form of sectarianism, which reinforces social divisions, often leading to conflict and hostilit
 
I really like what you're doing in this post. Racism is much less of a concern than fanatic sectarianism.

Fanatic sectarianism is the excessive, narrow-minded, and intolerant adherence to a specific sect, ideology, or group, combined with a fervent, zealous, and sometimes violent hostility towards those who do not share the same beliefs. It is an extreme form of sectarianism, which reinforces social divisions, often leading to conflict and hostilit
Much better stated than I could, but very much on the money.
 
Lawgator, Luther. I know you both are decent and rational people. But I fear you both are wedded to an illusion of a left of center progressive movement that no longer exists.
The Party of Truman, JFK, Carter, and even Clinton is gone forever.
You always talk about the Trump takeover of the Republican Party; but have you ever really considered what the American left has become? It is lurching even further to the left with the Squad and „democratic socialists“ driving the party off the cliff.
And I understand how much Trump is dislikeable as a person to you both; but his policies Are actually pretty close to what both parties believed only 20 or so years ago. He is a populist much more than a conservative and and that seems to be what the people want.
I wish you and other moderates luck in reclaiming your party; but I am afraid it is too far gone.
New York City is about to elect an avowed socialist mayor. Have you let that fact sink in?
I truly mourn the loss of a party that I once could support from time to time. I just don’t think the new generation has any place in their hearts for it though.
The hated of Donald Trump... trumps any other vision either of them could possibly have. Neither I've can give you any substantive reason for the obsessive hated they both harbor for the man.
 
The hated of Donald Trump... trumps any other vision either of them could possibly have. Neither I've can give you any substantive reason for the obsessive hated they both harbor for the man.
Trump is the political equivalent of a bug zapper. His opponents simply cannot resist circling ever closer to that strange light. Even if it will eventually zap them
 
MAGA's invitation for minorities to enter the movement and have loud, clear supported voices does great damage to that tired trope.


For many in MAGA, its not sincere. It is a ruse, which they use to make it look like MAGA is open to diverse voices and interests, when in reality it is anything but. MAGA positions are decidedly against such voices and interests.

Consider MAGA rallies during the campaign. 99.99 percent white and they would use the one or two black people there as props, sitting behind Trump. Scan the audience? Entirely white.

Some have figured out a way to monetize their support of Trump or MAGA, to be sure. We see their x or instagrams re-posted here from time to time.

Now, having said that, there is nothing per se barring blacks from buying into all sorts of other MAGA ideals. Anti-immigration, crack down on crime, tax cuts for the wealthy, promoting religiosity. Any racial or ethnic group can buy into all or parts of that.

But when it comes to race relations, and in particular how blacks are viewed in terms of social programs and criminality, MAGA is without question a permission slip for that 99.99 percent to adhere to those resentful views, even if dressed up in pretend tolerance.
 
i think the racist aspect of that slogan is greatly overstated to advance that resentment. I think more and more thoughtful and engaged young people are seeing the decay in their/our society. Being loud, in your face and aggressive......... anarchist mob mentality is entrenching itself across the US.

The racist element in America is insignificant and dieing off. A slogan won't inspire new youth to racism or other forms of fanatisism and hate, but anarchy and lawlessness will. And I'm becoming convinced that's exactly what the left and right are advancing to consolidate more power and hang on to the bitter end.
indubitability.

both sides are guilty of assuming the worst from the other is actually representative of the whole. and even when they defend themselves from that false association, they don't extend that curtsey to the others.
 
Kirk didn't qualify the antipathy that he felt for immigrants that didn't speak English, be they legal or undocumented.

Then again, Jesus didn't teach that a foreigner's legal status predicated whether or not they should be shown love and compassion either, so it's a moot point from a 'teachings of Christ' standpoint
You invoking Jesus in order to try to get a 'gotcha' moment isn't as effective as you believe.
I think that it is interesting that you measure Charlie by the standard of Jesus though. Now do St George of Fentanyl... Hero of the left.
 
indubitability.

both sides are guilty of assuming the worst from the other is actually representative of the whole. and even when they defend themselves from that false association, they don't extend that curtsey to the others.
I just added to my thoughts on that a few posts below. This is very close to what I added.
 
For many in MAGA, its not sincere. It is a ruse, which they use to make it look like MAGA is open to diverse voices and interests, when in reality it is anything but. MAGA positions are decidedly against such voices and interests.

Consider MAGA rallies during the campaign. 99.99 percent white and they would use the one or two black people there as props, sitting behind Trump. Scan the audience? Entirely white.

Some have figured out a way to monetize their support of Trump or MAGA, to be sure. We see their x or instagrams re-posted here from time to time.

Now, having said that, there is nothing per se barring blacks from buying into all sorts of other MAGA ideals. Anti-immigration, crack down on crime, tax cuts for the wealthy, promoting religiosity. Any racial or ethnic group can buy into all or parts of that.

But when it comes to race relations, and in particular how blacks are viewed in terms of social programs and criminality, MAGA is without question a permission slip for that 99.99 percent to adhere to those resentful views, even if dressed up in pretend tolerance.
lol, you use some very bad informal anecdotal evidence, but ignore the actual results of the election. continuing your incredibly racist world view.

Trump has grown the republican support amongst pretty much every racial minority group, and by pretty significant margins. its not one or two token black people in a crowd either.

AA in 2012 voted 6% for the Republican candidate. 13% in 2024
27% hispanic, 46% in 2024
26% asian, 40% in 2024
38% of the "other", 55% in 2024

before you try the Obama argument, Kamala is black too.
 
For many in MAGA, its not sincere. It is a ruse, which they use to make it look like MAGA is open to diverse voices and interests, when in reality it is anything but. MAGA positions are decidedly against such voices and interests.

Consider MAGA rallies during the campaign. 99.99 percent white and they would use the one or two black people there as props, sitting behind Trump. Scan the audience? Entirely white.

Some have figured out a way to monetize their support of Trump or MAGA, to be sure. We see their x or instagrams re-posted here from time to time.

Now, having said that, there is nothing per se barring blacks from buying into all sorts of other MAGA ideals. Anti-immigration, crack down on crime, tax cuts for the wealthy, promoting religiosity. Any racial or ethnic group can buy into all or parts of that.

But when it comes to race relations, and in particular how blacks are viewed in terms of social programs and criminality, MAGA is without question a permission slip for that 99.99 percent to adhere to those resentful views, even if dressed up in pretend tolerance.
That is AWFULLY close to calling conservative African Americans as „Uncle Toms“.
I am sure that is not the impression you wish to leave though.
The real question I would ask is, even with all of the professed attention and programs that liberals have directed towards minority communities since LBJ; have the conditions in which lived gotten better or worse? Are families in those communities more or less stable? Are there more or less children with two parent households?
If I was in one of those communities; I think I would at least consider giving the other side a try. What really do they have to lose?
 
lol, you use some very bad informal anecdotal evidence, but ignore the actual results of the election. continuing your incredibly racist world view.

Trump has grown the republican support amongst pretty much every racial minority group, and by pretty significant margins. its not one or two token black people in a crowd either.

AA in 2012 voted 6% for the Republican candidate. 13% in 2024
27% hispanic, 46% in 2024
26% asian, 40% in 2024
38% of the "other", 55% in 2024

before you try the Obama argument, Kamala is black too.


A number bought into the ruse back in 2024. They are decidedly against it now. AI, TIFWIW



According to multiple 2025 polls, support for Donald Trump among Black voters has declined significantly since the 2024 presidential election, returning closer to historical norms
. In the months following the election, his approval rating fell sharply, driven largely by discontent over economic issues and various policies.

Decline since the 2024 election
  • August 2025: An Economist/YouGov poll found Trump's net approval rating among Black voters had dropped by 25 points since May, from a net rating of -47 to -73. The poll showed only 11% approval compared to 84% disapproval.
  • May 2025: An earlier poll showed Trump with a 22% approval rating and a 69% disapproval rating among Black voters.
  • 2024 election vs. 2025: Trump won 15% of the Black vote in the 2024 election. However, his support began to decline after taking office, with poll readings in 2025 reverting toward typical levels for a Republican president among Black voters.
Key factors in the decline
Multiple issues are cited as reasons for the drop in support:

  • Economic concerns: Black voters expressed low approval of Trump's handling of the economy and inflation. In an August 2025 poll, only 9% approved of his handling of jobs and the economy, down from 24% in May.
  • Policy backlash:
    • "Big, Beautiful Bill" spending package: This legislation, which included tax cuts for the wealthy, was viewed with concern because it could make millions of low-income people, including many Black Americans, ineligible for Medicaid.
    • Project 2025 agenda: Features of this plan, such as expanded "stop and frisk" policies, are perceived by some as potential threats to civil rights.
    • Attacks on DEI: Actions targeting diversity and inclusion programs have also contributed to eroding support.
  • Failed promises: Some voters who were swayed by Trump's campaign promises on the economy now feel his administration's focus has shifted to issues like immigration enforcement and government downsizing.
  • Reversion to historical norms: Political scientists suggest that after a post-election honeymoon period, Black voters' approval of Trump reverted to more typical historical ratings for Republican presidents.
 
That is AWFULLY close to calling conservative African Americans as „Uncle Toms“.
I am sure that is not the impression you wish to leave though.
The real question I would ask is, even with all of the professed attention and programs that liberals have directed towards minority communities since LBJ; have the conditions in which lived gotten better or worse? Are families in those communities more or less stable? Are there more or less children with two parent households?
If I was in one of those communities; I think I would at least consider giving the other side a try. What really do they have to lose?


See immediately above.
 
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