Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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lawgator1 said:
Probably true. A Vance-Rubio ticket would be tough to beat. Vance carries the MAGA flag, Rubio brings the moderate Republicans back home and soothes fears of more Trumpesque mercurial madness.
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How does he do that? By leaning on his record of [checks notes] compromising his positions to stay good with MAGA?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think you are overestimating how big MAGA is relative to normal Republicans. Loud and in your face? Yes. Currently in control of the party? Absolutely. But can it be sustained in the long term when the bills come due...
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The loud, in your face, rioting and building burning left is enormous relative to “normal” democrats and they pretty much are in control of the democrat party…as evidenced by the number of lawmakers in Congress ran cover for them by dismissing almost entirely the damage done in the “Summer of Love” and repeatedly trying to sell a lie in “mostly peaceful” protests. I wonder where all the old blue dog democrats went after the left chased them out? For all our sakes I hope the extremes aren’t sustainable in the long term.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think you are overestimating how big MAGA is relative to normal Republicans. Loud and in your face? Yes. Currently in control of the party? Absolutely. But can it be sustained in the long term when the bills come due...
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We will see I guess.
I think you are UNDERestimating just how much the Kirk assassination (and the democrats clumsy response) made „normal“ Republicans lose any desire to ever find middle ground or work with democrats ever again.
Something fundamental has changed in the Republican tent and I don’t think people realize just how united Republicans are right now.
Heck, Elon and Trump even patched things up tonight.
And believe me when I say that JD Vance will have a MUCH broader appeal than Trump had ever had.
The democrats are going to have to moderate their AOC/Omar wing and do it quickly if they want to have any chance post Trump.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I did very little online today, but I watched almost all of the memorial. It had a significant impact on me. I will be spending more of my energy being positive, empathetic, charitable, and sharing the Message of salvation.
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I lost it when Erika Kirk came out on stage to deliver her speech about Charlie.
If only she didn't start to cry I would have been okay. It was a cry fest for her great loss.
 
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luthervol said:
Exactly.
I'm just trying to get an idea of what percentage actually falls for it.........I do know it is shockingly high.
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Lawgator, Luther. I know you both are decent and rational people. But I fear you both are wedded to an illusion of a left of center progressive movement that no longer exists.
The Party of Truman, JFK, Carter, and even Clinton is gone forever.
You always talk about the Trump takeover of the Republican Party; but have you ever really considered what the American left has become? It is lurching even further to the left with the Squad and „democratic socialists“ driving the party off the cliff.
And I understand how much Trump is dislikeable as a person to you both; but his policies Are actually pretty close to what both parties believed only 20 or so years ago. He is a populist much more than a conservative and and that seems to be what the people want.
I wish you and other moderates luck in reclaiming your party; but I am afraid it is too far gone.
New York City is about to elect an avowed socialist mayor. Have you let that fact sink in?
I truly mourn the loss of a party that I once could support from time to time. I just don’t think the new generation has any place in their hearts for it though.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
We will see I guess.
I think you are UNDERestimating just how much the Kirk assassination (and the democrats clumsy response) made „normal“ Republicans lose any desire to ever find middle ground or work with democrats ever again.
Something fundamental has changed in the Republican tent and I don’t think people realize just how united Republicans are right now.
Heck, Elon and Trump even patched things up tonight.
And believe me when I say that JD Vance will have a MUCH broader appeal than Trump had ever had.
The democrats are going to have to moderate their AOC/Omar wing and do it quickly if they want to have any chance post Trump.
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How a lot of the Left reacted, they look like the bitter meanies that they accuse us of being on the down low.. when they actually feel that way and put it on full display.. and yes, we know not all reacted that way, but there were definitely enough to give the perception that it was a thing
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I refuse to countenance any opinion on „immigrants“ from anyone failing to clearly state if they are referring to „legal“ or „illegal“ immigrants.
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Kirk didn't qualify the antipathy that he felt for immigrants that didn't speak English, be they legal or undocumented.

Then again, Jesus didn't teach that a foreigner's legal status predicated whether or not they should be shown love and compassion either, so it's a moot point from a 'teachings of Christ' standpoint
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kirk didn't qualify the antipathy that he felt for immigrants that didn't speak English, be they legal or undocumented.

Then again, Jesus didn't teach that a foreigner's legal status predicated whether or not they should be shown love and compassion either, so it's a moot point from a 'teachings of Christ' standpoint
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It is possible to both show compassion while also calling for the law to be followed.
Returning a person to their homeland isn’t some sort of violent act of war. Deportation is an act that has been performed throughout all of history.
And guess what, if you go to any other country, overstay your visa, and get discovered YOU TOO will be deported back to the U.S.
Why is the U.S. the only nation in the world that is expected to behave differently?
Donald Trump didn’t invent deportation you know.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Lawgator, Luther. I know you both are decent and rational people. But I fear you both are wedded to an illusion of a left of center progressive movement that no longer exists.
The Party of Truman, JFK, Carter, and even Clinton is gone forever.
You always talk about the Trump takeover of the Republican Party; but have you ever really considered what the American left has become? It is lurching even further to the left with the Squad and „democratic socialists“ driving the party off the cliff.
And I understand how much Trump is dislikeable as a person to you both; but his policies Are actually pretty close to what both parties believed only 20 or so years ago. He is a populist much more than a conservative and and that seems to be what the people want.
I wish you and other moderates luck in reclaiming your party; but I am afraid it is too far gone.
New York City is about to elect an avowed socialist mayor. Have you let that fact sink in?
I truly mourn the loss of a party that I once could support from time to time. I just don’t think the new generation has any place in their hearts for it though.
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I personally know a number of people that are representative of the best and the brightest among the 20-30 year old range.
The days of a wanna be king hanging banners of himself on federal buildings while silencing the press and federalizing cities are not likely to continue much longer.
 
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luthervol said:
I personally know a number of people that are representative of the best and the brightest among the 20-30 year old range.
The days of a wanna be king hanging banners of himself on federal buildings while silencing the press and federalizing cities are not likely to continue much longer.
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Charlie Kirk’s murder was senseless and it’s opening eyes. Even some on the left are disgusted by the way parts of their own side reacted, with mockery or silence instead of basic decency.

People are realizing this isn’t about left vs. right anymore, it’s about standing against political violence. Kirk died for speaking his beliefs, and that hit a nerve with an extremist. More moderates and former Democrats are saying they’ve had enough and are moving right.

This has been an enormous tragedy; but also a turning point. Anyone that thinks the left has a chance at winning the Presidency in 2028 is delirious. There isn't a true leader in the group. Name one Blue state that isn't suffering from extreme homelessness or drug issues OR BOTH. The vocal minority can be just that, the minority. Collect your Food Rations and be the Useless Idiots you desire to be.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The second article is literally about a study done looking at people’s voting preferences at UC Irvine. I don’t know what you’re reading. I posted 4 pieces btw, each inherently different from the other, with different sources and different subject matter. I won’t do the work for you, I read each one hoping to have discourse, but I won’t hold my breath.
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Please see my first reply, if nothing else I pride myself on intellectual honesty. If I'm wrong or uninformed or just simply mistaken I'll own it.


It's very important to me.
 
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