Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[KB5252]

i was genuinely better off being hostile to my representation than i was letting him "help" me

that aint right

My second felony was an agg assault, against a state senators son who best the crap out of his girlfriend, one of our close friends. They offered me 3 years, Public defender told me I should take it. I told him he better work. Ended up with 11-29.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I was railroaded by a public defender. All they do is try to cut deals with the DA. The facts of your actual case are irrelevant in my experience. I am sure like with any profession there are exceptions to the rule...but on the experience of myself and friends etc the PDs are in cahoots with the DAs and primarily comcerned with clearing cases and avoiding trials. Not with the best interests of the accused. If one cannot afford a paid lawyer...then they are well and truly screwed in most cases.

i was genuinely better off being hostile to my representation than i was letting him "help" me

that aint right

Absolutely. That's probably the greatest failing of our criminal justice system...the failure to provide proficient representation for those accused of serious crimes. Coupled with paid lawyers billing hours at a couple hundred dollars an hour (and up) there are good people who spend years in prison for crimes they didnt commit. Its true that most folks charged with felonies are in fact guilty...but if even a small % of innocent people are caged like animals that is too many.

** would also like to state for the record that i haven’t had anything more than a speeding ticket in over 30 years and I am 48yo. I was arrested at 16 years old charged as an adult for a non violent offense. Havent been in trouble since though i admit I could have been charged for throwing hands lots of times as a teen and young adult. I could and probably should have my record expunged but I never needed to in my field of expertise

 

[apevol]

My second felony was an agg assault, against a state senators son who best the crap out of his girlfriend, one of our close friends. They offered me 3 years, Public defender told me I should take it. I told him he better work. Ended up with 11-29.

i was in a cell with a state Congressmans relative! he was in and out due to child support. told me never run into the back of a school bus with a truck full of pills, they don't like that

 

[marcusluvsvols]

My second felony was an agg assault, against a state senators son who best the crap out of his girlfriend, one of our close friends. They offered me 3 years, Public defender told me I should take it. I told him he better work. Ended up with 11-29.

I also did time as a teenager. Several months. Never fought so much in my life. Wouldnt let my parents come see me because I always had a shiner or busted lip. I got the book thrown at me because video showed 3 of us were involved in the theft and I wouldn't rat out my 2 buddies. One of them is still my good friend today. I regret stealing the credit cards and our shopping spree. Dont regret not being a snitch.

 

[apevol]

I also did time as a teenager. Several months. Never fought so much in my life. Wouldnt let my parents come see me because I always had a shiner or busted lip. I got the book thrown at me because video showed 3 of us were involved in the theft and I wouldn't rat out my 2 buddies. One of them is still my good friend today. I regret stealing the credit cards and our shopping spree. Dont regret not being a snitch.

snitching is an admission of guilt. with the way the system treats snitches, you're just as likely better off doing the time

 

[RavinDave]

Unfortunately I’m a slow learner.

At least you got pretty good mileage out of that bar of soap.

 

[Smokey123]

never knew vn had so many thugs on here

 

[Smokey123]

Absolutely. That's probably the greatest failing of our criminal justice system...the failure to provide proficient representation for those accused of serious crimes. Coupled with paid lawyers billing hours at a couple hundred dollars an hour (and up) there are good people who spend years in prison for crimes they didnt commit. Its true that most folks charged with felonies are in fact guilty...but if even a small % of innocent people are caged like animals that is too many.

** would also like to state for the record that i haven’t had anything more than a speeding ticket in over 30 years and I am 48yo. I was arrested at 16 years old charged as an adult for a non violent offense. Havent been in trouble since though i admit I could have been charged for throwing hands lots of times as a teen and young adult. I could and probably should have my record expunged but I never needed to in my field of expertise

This is also a big part of the systems problem imo

 

[Smokey123]

Less combative. Not in front of a cheering/jeering crowd. Less cutting off a people to make his point. Stuff like that.
Had he taken that approach he would not have had nearly the reach. It would have been way too boring. Probably best for everyone he had a bit of drama and edge to his events.

I agree. Although I will say it seemed he matched the “debaters” energy, and if the person came in timid or the crowd was trying to silence the speaker Charlie would tell them to be quiet and let them speak

 

[KB5252]

I also did time as a teenager. Several months. Never fought so much in my life. Wouldnt let my parents come see me because I always had a shiner or busted lip. I got the book thrown at me because video showed 3 of us were involved in the theft and I wouldn't rat out my 2 buddies. One of them is still my good friend today. I regret stealing the credit cards and our shopping spree. Dont regret not being a snitch.

This incident was in my mid twenties. I was forced out of my job for liability purposes after that and couldn't find any more work. You can't get honest above board work as a bouncer or doorman with that on your record.

The woman I saved got back with the dude and ended up stabbing him in self defense 4 years later.

Left that scene and everyone in it just before I met what would become my wife..... Never looked back.

 

[KB5252]

snitching is an admission of guilt. with the way the system treats snitches, you're just as likely better off doing the time

My first charge would have gotten me in large trouble had I talked. They tried to convince me if I told my story it would be better for me. But I knew better, they got what they already knew.

 

[Vol8188]

I still think you have a problem explaining why the appeals courts wouldn't grant a hearing to the defense team. If it were this reasonable doubt, or evidence was completely dismissed, seems like the appeals process would have been a slam dunk.

I don’t have a lot of respect for judges, so I can’t answer that.

Although props to the judge when we adopted our son who presented him with a soccer ball after the hearing (I guess hearing is the right word?)

 

[apevol]

My first charge would have gotten me in large trouble had I talked. They tried to convince me if I told my story it would be better for me. But I knew better, they got what they already knew.

i was looking at 8-10 yrs

I've never kept my mouth so shut in my life.

it took me a few times of relapsing before i got myself straightened out and now over ten yrs later I can honestly say im an upstanding citizen, i don't even exceed the speed limit lol

 

[KB5252]

i was in a cell with a state Congressmans relative! he was in and out due to child support. told me never run into the back of a school bus with a truck full of pills, they don't like that

Those dudes are the worst, just think about what they got away with because Dad was plugged in. I got lucky with cell mates, both of mine were cool.

 

[KB5252]

i was looking at 8-10 yrs

I've never kept my mouth so shut in my life.

it took me a few times of relapsing before i got myself straightened out and now over ten yrs later I can honestly say im an upstanding citizen, i don't even exceed the speed limit lol

same here, except I never needed the drugs, just took them so I could function in the clubs, social anxiety. Mainly exctasy, white, pills and if I wasn't working I'd throw some psychedelics in. Smoked a lot though.

When I walked away from club work and hanging out right after I met my wife I never looked back, never missed it. I still can't believe she took a chance on me. She' said she watched me for weeks and noticed I never took women home even though she knew I had the chance by watching, the night she talked to me I was rollin way too hard to make sense. She's straight as an arrow, never took a single drug in her life. Somehow it worked.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

This incident was in my mid twenties. I was forced out of my job for liability purposes after that and couldn't find any more work. You can't get honest above board work as a bouncer or doorman with that on your record.

The woman I saved got back with the dude and ended up stabbing him in self defense 4 years later.

Left that scene and everyone in it just before I met what would become my wife..... Never looked back.

Yeah you must be a pretty big dude. Guys my size don't get hired as bouncers regardless of how tough they are. Never been scared to tangle with guys bigger than me (within reason) but when it comes to bouncing physics matter. A guy my size isnt dragging a 250 or 300lb bear out of a bar unless hes unconscious. A buddy of mine (actually one of the 2 i mentioned before) was a bouncer at a strip club thru our early 20s. Rough line of work man at that club anyway. He always enjoyed it though. He dated a lot of the girls he was too tough for us to give him a hard time about it.

My first charge would have gotten me in large trouble had I talked. They tried to convince me if I told my story it would be better for me. But I knew better, they got what they already knew.

They had me dead to rights because they got my license plate. Called my parents at the house. I knew if I talked it would just put a felony on my buddies and I wasn't gonna do that to them. I am ashamed that we stole those cards, and have had my truck broken into and cleaned out as an adult. Been stolen from otherwise as well. Feel like I earned that regardless of whether God has forgiven me or not. I don't regret not snitching though even though it cost me pretty severely. I chose not to lie to my kids about the poor decisions i made before i got in church and straightened up. Used myself as an example of what not to do. It seems to have been a good decision.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

same here, except I never needed the drugs, just took them so I could function in the clubs, social anxiety. Mainly exctasy, white, pills and if I wasn't working I'd throw some psychedelics in. Smoked a lot though.

When I walked away from club work and hanging out right after I met my wife I never looked back, never missed it. I still can't believe she took a chance on me. She' said she watched me for weeks and noticed I never took women home even though she knew I had the chance by watching, the night she talked to me I was rollin way too hard to make sense. She's straight as an arrow, never took a single drug in her life. Somehow it worked.

Your wife and mine are the same. Your experiences and mine are pretty much the same as well. I got with mine, got in church and stopped everything. She was raised in church and taught Sunday school at 19. Night and day different from me. I would likely have died young if not for her and the Lord. I cannot imagine how tragic it would have been for me to miss out on having my kids. They are my purpose and my joy.

 

[85SugarVol]

never knew vn had so many thugs on here

Justice Impacted Individuals you mouth-breathing fuq’n trog.

 

[KB5252]

Yeah you must be a pretty big dude. Guys my size don't get hired as bouncers regardless of how tough they are. Never been scared to tangle with guys bigger than me (within reason) but when it comes to bouncing physics matter. A guy my size isnt dragging a 250 or 300lb bear out of a bar unless hes unconscious. A buddy of mine (actually one of the 2 i mentioned before) was a bouncer at a strip club thru our early 20s. Rough line of work man at that club anyway. He always enjoyed it though. He dated a lot of the girls he was too tough for us to give him a hard time about it.



They had me dead to rights because they got my license plate. Called my parents at the house. I knew if I talked it would just put a felony on my buddies and I wasn't gonna do that to them. I am ashamed that we stole those cards, and have had my truck broken into and cleaned out as an adult. Been stolen from otherwise as well. Feel like I earned that regardless of whether God has forgiven me or not. I don't regret not snitching though even though it cost me pretty severely. I chose not to lie to my kids about the poor decisions i made before i got in church and straightened up. Used myself as an example of what not to do. It seems to have been a good decision.

I was at that time about 6'3" 265, lean and mean, but weak. Weak in mind. Today I'm 6'3" 300 and so much stronger mentally and physically.

I did something similar but never convicted. I broke into a cops house, got his cards, his guns...... Tried to use those cards....... Got busted. Harding Mall in South Nashville. A dective got us, I took the call, let my friends go and took the wrap. The cop who's house I broke into.... Threatened to end me. Two hours, tried to break me. I gave him noting. Threatened to kill me.

I'm not that person anymore. Any penance I owe I've paid it and then some.

The worst part is I don't lie. My daughter knows. The evils I've done, the evils done to me. She knows.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Justice Impacted Individuals you mouth-breathing fuq’n trog.

"Systematically disenfranchised youths cast asunder by the fascist Patriarchy of Western Capitalism... made manifest in the criminal punishment complex"
-Al and Jesse etc

 

[MAD]

 

[KB5252]

Your wife and mine are the same. Your experiences and mine are pretty much the same as well. I got with mine, got in church and stopped everything. She was raised in church and taught Sunday school at 19. Night and day different from me. I would likely have died young if not for her and the Lord. I cannot imagine how tragic it would have been for me to miss out on having my kids. They are my purpose and my joy.

My wife wasn't religious, she just watched what I did. I wasn't about ass, wasn't about the hook up. I needed someone to engage me, challenge me. She knew I was miserable, looking for something different. I didn't even know at the time.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I was at that time about 6'3" 265, lean and mean, but weak. Weak in mind. Today I'm 6'3" 300 and so much stronger mentally and physically.

I did something similar but never convicted. I broke into a cops house, got his cards, his guns...... Tried to use those cards....... Got busted. Harding Mall in South Nashville. A dective got us, I took the call, let my friends go and took the wrap. The cop who's house I broke into.... Threatened to end me. Two hours, tried to break me. I gave him noting. Threatened to kill me.

I'm not that person anymore. Any penance I owe I've paid it and then some.

The worst part is I don't lie. My daughter knows. The evils I've done, the evils done to me. She knows.

Mine too for the most part. Dont go into detail, and never glorify my sins, but I have been honest with them about my shortcomings as a young man and now. I tell them about things I wish I had done better as a parent too. I want them to be better than me. To learn from my mistakes rather than repeating them. Both of them are better than me, and that pleases me greatly. You being honest with them is probably a good thing. My kids respect me and treat me that way. They appreciate my honesty especially now that they're older (23 and 17)

 

[KB5252]

Mine too for the most part. Dont go into detail, and never glorify my sins, but I have been honest with them about my shortcomings as a young man and now. I tell them about things I wish I had done better as a parent too. I want them to be better than me. To learn from my mistakes rather than repeating them. Both of them are better than me, and that pleases me greatly. You being honest with them is probably a good thing. My kids respect me and treat me that way. They appreciate my honesty especially now that they're older (23 and 17)

Absolutely, my daughter is 18. She is in a teaching program at the local community college. She knows my struggle, and I wish those struggles miss her. I grew up in a different place, as does she, I only ask that she does the best with what I've alotted her.

 

[McDad]

I don’t have a lot of respect for judges, so I can’t answer that.

Although props to the judge when we adopted our son who presented him with a soccer ball after the hearing (I guess hearing is the right word?)

Congratulations. much respect for doing that. Have friends at church who adopted 2. Never appreciated how difficult and expensive that process is until they did it.