Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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RockyTop85 said:
While he’s furiously googling, here’s the answer:

The effects of Fentanyl at a given blood concentration are not fixed, particularly in chronic users and outside of therapeutic levels. So the level of fentanyl in the blood that results in death is hard to pin down. Therefore, the quantity of fentanyl in the blood is not very informative in determining whether fentanyl was the cause of death.

Norfentanyl is the metabolite of fentanyl. The body breaks down fentanyl into norfentanyl over time. The presence of norfentanyl can indicate remote use and/or chronic use with higher levels being more consistent with the latter which is in turn consistent with a higher tolerance.

So the ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl is the more relevant number in an overdose case. That ratio is higher in overdose deaths, I presume because the drug kills too quickly for the body to metabolize it. Apparently, there is no norfentanyl in a significant number of overdose death autopsies.

A lower ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl is, of course, less consistent with overdose death because presumably the body has survived and metabolized more of the drug and/or the recent dose isn’t as great relative to the body’s tolerance.

In this case, the ratio was pretty low. Lower than the median of all fentanyl DUI cases studied by this lab over the relevant period (which is significant because presumably the people driving were alive) and much much lower (less than a quarter) of the average levels for blood samples tested for autopsies where the autopsied individual had fentanyl concentrations in the same range as Floyd’s.

Now everybody else can be glad that I shortened all that to “the fentanyl level” instead of glazing your eyes over with this **** you will never need to know.
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I’m not reading all that!
 
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Gandalf said:
George Floyd was a career criminal and a drug addict, who resisted arrest by police. Charlie Kirk was a successful speaker and family man who repeatedly braved threats against his life simply to show that we could engage in conversation rather than become violent and cancel each other. Neither deserved to die the way they did.

The fact that you even have these two people in the same sentence shows how completely dishonest and utterly bereft your moral compass is.
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From the rooftops to the hilltops this is what i am screaming. Its a grave disservice to Charlie to be mentioned in the same breath with a career criminal and violent felon. Its beneath him and his good name.

If any such comparisons should take place they should be between Charlies assassin and the other violent Leftist felon named Floyd. They share the same ideology and violent dispositions.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s a podcast. He feels that anyone that has to use DEI principles is someone that can’t succeed on their own. He believes in merit and doesn’t feel like race should be taken into account. CK says that we should build communities up instead of lowering standards.
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That repeated present tense is pretty weird.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
A unanimous jury of 12, in fact.
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Yes but thats before the original coroner came forward and said that he originally put drug overdose on the cause of death line of the death certificate...but that he was made to change it to homocide which is what was used in the trial right? Or am I remembering this wrong? The Chauvin trial was like OJs trial but in reverse. The justice system was rigged to produce the desired result to keep Lefties from burning looting and murdering all over again.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Floyd was dead as soon as he swallowed the bag of fentanyl. You can argue that Chauvin was wrong or too much force but if he had handcuffed Floyd and left him alone in the back of police car, the results would’ve been the exact same
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Do you know how much fentanyl it was? I thought they said a gram or so. Which is an entire days worth of dope for even a heavy IV user. To ingest an entire gram in one dose is gonna be fatal for even a heavy user. I think he was just hiding the dope in his mouth and the baggie wasnt sealed or was ruptured by his teeth. Simple possession is a felony in any amount...so he was looking at an additional felony if the dope was found in his pockets etc. He took a risk and it got him IMO.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
There’s an investigation going on at my daughter’s school as we speak.
From what I know about it, I don’t think her CK comments merit being fired…..but she definitely made questionable remarks in front of numerous girls, including my daughter.

With that being said, other comments and behaviors that have come to light do warrant termination. Those include talking about the sex she and her husband have, making a remark to a girl about her being on birth control in front of a group and talking about how to give head.
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My wife is a lot meaner than me. She would beat the brakes off a chick for talking about how to perform oral sex to my teenage daughter. It would take a lot of effort by me and prayer for the teacher getting fired to be the worst of her consequences. That is so far out of bounds that I dont even know what to say CP. I know from previous experience that yall see a lot of things the way that we do though, and that youre hilarious 😆 i am sorry your daughter had to listen to that. Liberty University has a really good online homeschool program though and it isnt real expensive either. Just sayin...we are happy with it and this is our 2nd year of HS.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
My wife is a lot meaner than me. She would beat the brakes off a chick for talking about how to perform oral sex to my teenage daughter. It would take a lot of effort by me and prayer for the teacher getting fired to be the worst of her consequences. That is so far out of bounds that I dont even know what to say CP. I know from previous experience that yall see a lot of things the way that we do though, and that youre hilarious 😆 i am sorry your daughter had to listen to that. Liberty University has a really good online homeschool program though and it isnt real expensive either. Just sayin...we are happy with it and this is our 2nd year of HS.
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I’m pretty sure the 💩 is about to hit the fan. By the time I caught wind of it a couple of other mothers had already been to the school board and several girls had gone to the principal. I told my daughter to just lay low, not bad mouth anyone and watch it all play out.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
If I “made false statements” and “lied” then why does the article that you posted for your little gotcha game agree with the conclusion that he didn’t die from fentanyl? And why did it go out of its way to mention the ratio? Why did the toxicologist testify about the ratio at all?
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You didn’t mention the ratio. You mentioned something else. Idk why that’s difficult to understand.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
From the rooftops to the hilltops this is what i am screaming. Its a grave disservice to Charlie to be mentioned in the same breath with a career criminal and violent felon. Its beneath him and his good name.

If any such comparisons should take place they should be between Charlies assassin and the other violent Leftist felon named Floyd. They share the same ideology and violent dispositions.
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To be fair, neither should have been killed.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Do you know how much fentanyl it was? I thought they said a gram or so. Which is an entire days worth of dope for even a heavy IV user. To ingest an entire gram in one dose is gonna be fatal for even a heavy user. I think he was just hiding the dope in his mouth and the baggie wasnt sealed or was ruptured by his teeth. Simple possession is a felony in any amount...so he was looking at an additional felony if the dope was found in his pockets etc. He took a risk and it got him IMO.
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add on that excited delirum which likely caused a mixed of positional asphyxiation and his already old and damaged heart giving out.

It's the most common type of death for suspects in custody/prisoners. It happens all the time in hospitals and jails
 
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EasternVol said:
He didn't say they admitted that. That part was his 'contribution'.
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It was based on current events. All four women talked about the supreme court ruling on Affirmative Action. In Michelle Obama’s defense she didn’t say she was an Affirmative Action student. She stated that her counselor said that she wouldn’t be able to get into Princeton. It was a podcast, I don’t see the big issue. I like Bill Maher’s show and he does similar things. People are too sensitive.

I posted a few videos showing how CK felt about minorities and gay people. No one that is left leaning commented on those vudeos bc they didn’t fit their narrative.
 
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luthervol said:
You know that you and the rest of the zombie herd thought the number was in the 1000's before I was forced to provide some actual facts.

Talk about uninformed.

Right wing social media rules the world....by propagandizing the mindless and gullible.
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That's awesome. Invent my opinion so you can attack it. Keep Loothering. We expect no less. I mean, this is just another instance of you not knowing someone's motives and yet poting them for the board. lol

I had no idea, nor expectation, one way the other, which is why I didn't post about it. Wouldn't that be the point? No one would really care about you being uninformed if you weren't here trying to inform us.

Make sense now?
 
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luthervol said:
You know that you and the rest of the zombie herd thought the number was in the 1000's before I was forced to provide some actual facts.

Talk about uninformed.

Right wing social media rules the world....by propagandizing the mindless and gullible.
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again you must've missed this from your "gullible, mindless" bubble. Please tell me how Axios (who said the facts exactly as I did) is right wing? 😂

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/15/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again you must've missed this from your "gullible, mindless" bubble. Please tell me how Axios (who said the facts exactly as I did) is right wing? 😂

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/15/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences
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I read your post as saying thousands were getting fired. But if you meant thousands have been accused by a right wing lynch mob as having said mean things, then I guess you are partially correct.
I'm sure they would flag dozens of posts in this thread as having said mean things about CK.
If you are wanting "thought police"......congrats, they're now here.
 
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luthervol said:
I read your post as saying thousands were getting fired. But if you meant thousands have been accused by a right wing lynch mob as having said mean things, then I guess you are partially correct.
I'm sure they would flag dozens of posts in this thread as having said mean things about CK.
If you are wanting "thought police"......congrats, they're now here.
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So you said the numbers were made up and exaggerated by "right wing media" and then when I showed you you were wrong, it switched to "accused by right wing lynch mob"

These firings were in the thousands and were "normal" liberals that were teachers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, business people etc. And not because they "said mean things" but because they were actively cheering on a murder of someone for their politics. The videos were there and I saw a lot myself which is why I knew I was correct.

Maybe next time step out of your bubble and experience what is actually out there and you won't be wrong so often with your takes.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’m not reading all that!
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KB5252 said:
Can you sum this up for someone with a disorder in the ADHD family?

I got into the second paragraph saw Chronic........ Great album....... And I was off the rails
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I asked AI to summarize

* **Fentanyl Concentration is Not a Reliable Indicator of Death:** The amount of fentanyl in a person's blood is not a definitive measure for determining cause of death, especially because tolerance varies widely among individuals, particularly chronic users.

* **Norfentanyl Indicates Metabolism:** Norfentanyl is a metabolite that the body produces as it breaks down fentanyl. Its presence can show chronic use and a higher tolerance to the drug.

* **The Fentanyl-to-Norfentanyl Ratio is Crucial:** The ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl is more informative in an overdose case. A high ratio suggests an acute, lethal dose, while a low ratio indicates that the body has had time to metabolize the drug.

* **Case-Specific Findings:** In this particular case, the ratio was quite low, even lower than the average found in people who were alive and driving under the influence of fentanyl. It was also significantly lower than the average ratio found in overdose deaths.
 
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