Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[RockyTop85]

Don't argue with your theory.

But seems to be easily prove able in a court.

It might have been easier to prove if they’d been able to rebut the toxicologist who testified that the fentanyl and meth levels in Floyd’s blood were below the median for DUI cases, nationally.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Wow….. he’s taking it to a new level, but it’s a great example of the hateful liberal mindset

I hate to be "that guy" but I do think its important that we distinguish between liberal and leftist. Despite disagreeing, a liberal typically still believes in free speech. They might disagree but they are at least willing to have a conversation with you. A leftist hates free speech and has absolutely zero interest in having open conversations, but would rather label and silence/cancel you. I have some family members who are liberal and I can promise you, while we dont always see eye to eye, they do NOT condone what happened to Charlie!

 

[n_huffhines]

so heres the full quote

Kirk made the statement in reference to Floyd's alleged criminal history and the circumstances surrounding his death. Kirk's exact words were: "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not."

The context doesn't disprove the point. People who expect reverence for Charlie can **** off. He didn't offer it to his enemies.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.
One was murdered by a cop while high on drugs and the other staged political debates where he let people speak and tried to convince them of his point of view.

Tent's up; don't shoot!

 

[Smokey123]

Wow

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

You know Luther sees no evil hears no evil and talks no evil when it comes to liberals

Luther is evidence that selective hearing and selective memory is real.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Serious question for you and the rest of VN.
If you’re a guy and you’re in a relationship with a dude that has already transitioned and now has lady parts….. are you a homosexual?

I dealt with some folks that worked at Home Depot. It was a girl. She was very boyish. I was always kind to her and joked with her. She seemed angry all the time so I was just trying to get a smile out of her.

After a few weeks I noticed I hadn't seen her in a while. Another employee said that she and her partner had picked up and moved to Washington state so they could "be around more of their kind".

She went on to explain that she wanted to transition to a male and her partner, a male wanted to transition to a female.

 

[luthervol]

There have been thousands of such cases all over social media and in localities all over the country. Why do you think so many teachers and nurses have been losing their jobs?

Over 100 people have faced consequences for remarks about Charlie Kirk's death

A USA TODAY analysis shows more than 100 people have faced repercussions for remarks after the Sept. 10 slaying of Charlie Kirk.

www.usatoday.com

The analysis shows at least 50 educators, including high school teachers and college professors, have faced investigations or repercussions for their remarks amidst the wave of intense scrutiny of social media channels by Kirk's supporters.

lol.....so 50 educators out of 4,000,000........or 0.001%.

You guys are so brained washed it's terrifying.

Thousands? Not even close. But 99% of right wingers have been propagandized to believe so.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Wow

He’s playing right into the hands of the “Trump is a fascist” crowd imo with these comments and his Antifa action. Hate speech is vile and should be condemned by the American people, but hate speech is still protected under free speech.

Once the people give the government the power not only to pick and choose what hate speech is but also to punish it, free speech is dead.

 

[luthervol]

That's why he posts so confidently. Because he's horribly uninformed.

The irony.

Thousands...lol

 

[Rickyvol77]

Over 100 people have faced consequences for remarks about Charlie Kirk's death

A USA TODAY analysis shows more than 100 people have faced repercussions for remarks after the Sept. 10 slaying of Charlie Kirk.

www.usatoday.com

The analysis shows at least 50 educators, including high school teachers and college professors, have faced investigations or repercussions for their remarks amidst the wave of intense scrutiny of social media channels by Kirk's supporters.

lol.....so 50 educators out of 4,000,000........or 0.001%.

You guys are so brained washed it's terrifying.

Thousands? Not even close. But 99% of right wingers have been propagandized to believe so.

I didn’t say thousands of teachers. I said thousands of people getting fired after you said you didn’t see hardly any. Which was comical. It’s not brain washed at all. I didn’t see these on Fox News on some crap. I’ve seen the videos and posts myself

 

[C-south]

I think they are linked and I loved your picture explaining the difference.
I believe the best route to equality is through equity.

Because opportunity only works when you do.

 

[Rickyvol77]

That's why he posts so confidently. Because he's horribly uninformed.

Guarantee his daughters have had their friends mention the CK incident too with similar discussions but he’s gonna act like he never has heard one person say it

 

[luthervol]

I didn’t say thousands of teachers. I said thousands of people getting fired after you said you didn’t see hardly any. Which was comical. It’s not brain washed at all. I didn’t see these on Fox News on some crap. I’ve seen the videos and posts myself

Good grief man.....read the article.
And then pass it to Orange crush

 

[Vol8188]

What could not be allowed from a legal standpoint?
His defense was allowed and did in fact argue that fentanyl and meth overdose was part of the cause of death. They put on their own independent medical examiner who opined that he died of cardiac arrest due to heart disease and drug use.
The state put on multiple medical experts who contradicted him.
That issue was canvassed very thoroughly at trial.

I can tag in a different thread if needed, but thoughts on the judge dismissing terrorism charges against the UHC CEO murderer?

 

[Vol8188]

It might have been easier to prove if they’d been able to rebut the toxicologist who testified that the fentanyl and meth levels in Floyd’s blood were below the median for DUI cases, nationally.

That’s inaccurate. He was in the top quantile and had numerous co-morbidities. Not the median.

Fact check: Fentanyl present in George Floyd's system but not enough to cause his death, experts say

A graphic shared on Facebook claims George Floyd had enough of the opioid fentanyl in his system to be fatal. This is missing context.

www.usatoday.com

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s inaccurate. He was in the top quantile and had numerous co-morbidities. Not the median.

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Fact check: Fentanyl present in George Floyd's system but not enough to cause his death, experts say

A graphic shared on Facebook claims George Floyd had enough of the opioid fentanyl in his system to be fatal. This is missing context.

www.usatoday.com

Who were the witnesses in the Derek Chauvin trial?

These are the individuals who testified in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the killing of George Floyd.

www.startribune.com

32. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist at NMS Labs in Pennsylvania. He testified that while fentanyl was found in Floyd's blood, so was norfentanyl, which is metabolized fentanyl. Overdose victims rarely have norfentanyl in their blood, he said. He testified that Floyd's ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl was 1.96 ng/ml. This is compared to the average ratio of 9.05 in postmortem cases and 3.2 in driving under the influence cases. Floyd's level of methamphetamine, 19 ng/ml, was in the bottom 5.9% of a sample of DUI methamphetamine cases.
"Does this show Mr. Floyd was below the average and even below the median in DUI cases?" prosecutor Erin Eldridge asked. "Yes," Isenschmid said.

From your article:
Isenschmid also showed that Floyd's blood ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl, the molecule fentanyl is broken down to once in the body, was lower than the average ratio both for people who died of overdoses and those arrested for DUI who lived.

 

[Vol8188]

Who were the witnesses in the Derek Chauvin trial?

These are the individuals who testified in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the killing of George Floyd.

www.startribune.com

32. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist at NMS Labs in Pennsylvania. He testified that while fentanyl was found in Floyd's blood, so was norfentanyl, which is metabolized fentanyl. Overdose victims rarely have norfentanyl in their blood, he said. He testified that Floyd's ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl was 1.96 ng/ml. This is compared to the average ratio of 9.05 in postmortem cases and 3.2 in driving under the influence cases. Floyd's level of methamphetamine, 19 ng/ml, was in the bottom 5.9% of a sample of DUI methamphetamine cases.
"Does this show Mr. Floyd was below the average and even below the median in DUI cases?" prosecutor Erin Eldridge asked. "Yes," Isenschmid said.

From your article:
Isenschmid also showed that Floyd's blood ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl, the molecule fentanyl is broken down to once in the body, was lower than the average ratio both for people who died of overdoses and those arrested for DUI who lived.

That’s a completely different argument than you just made. You didn’t proclaim the ratio, but rather the level. The level was in the top 25% of cases.

 

[KB5252]

I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.
One was murdered by a cop while high on drugs and the other staged political debates where he let people speak and tried to convince them of his point of view.

The comparison is the hypocrisy of both sides, nothing comparable about the situations other than they both died.

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s a completely different argument than you just made. You didn’t proclaim the ratio, but rather the level. The level was in the top 25% of cases.

It’s actually not a “completely different argument” if you understand the significance of the ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl.

 

[Vol8188]

It’s actually not a “completely different argument” if you understand the significance of the ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl.

That’s not what you said. You said something different, thus it’s a different argument. You can claim you misremembered (it seems you may have) or misspoke. But regardless, that’s not what you said

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s not what you said. You said something different, thus it’s a different argument. You can claim you misremembered (it seems you may have) or misspoke. But regardless, that’s not what you said

I didn’t misspeak or misremember. I simplified the more complicated but more relevant ratio into something that was easier for people to understand and digest.

 

[Vol8188]

I didn’t misspeak or misremember. I simplified the more complicated but more relevant ratio into something that was easier for people to understand and digest.

You made a different argument that was wrong. Those are different levels and then you provider was in the top 25% of cases. Not below the median as claimed.

You can’t “simply” something by completely changing the thing. That’s not a simplification it’s a false statement.

Idk why that’s so hard for you to accept.

 

[RockyTop85]

You made a different argument that was wrong. Those are different levels and then you provider was in the top 25% of cases. Not below the median as claimed.

You can’t “simply” something by completely changing the thing. That’s not a simplification it’s a false statement.

Idk why that’s so hard for you to accept.

But I can “simplify” it and that’s why I did.

 

[Vol8188]

Except I can and that’s why I did.

Yes; you can make false statements. And yes, you obviously did make a false statement.

And then pathetically lied about it in post after post. Cant imagine why anyone would find attorneys to be despicable