Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[InVOLuntary]

is it limited to shootings? I remember some pretty bad incidents with cars and crowds by both sides.

There was the sovereign citizen, usually considered pretty right, shooting of the Dallas PD.

the walmart shooting in El Paso.

The Dallas shooting was Obama inspired police hate. When was a political figure assassinated or attempted assassination?

 

[McDad]

It's obvious

I don't understand why there'd be a conspiracy. Please explain it to me.

 

[luthervol]

I actually gave the post where you pointed it our a like. If you need something explicit. My bad. I'm sorry. Good point.

It in no way damaged my point per the other examples I posted.




They were probably not dumb enough to think their ignorance was a platform to correct the ones who had followed him for years, and then accuse the fact that they were talking about someone and something they knew to be the actual lazy thinking. lol



Don't lie. I posted one of the posts in question. Everyone here can read it. You claimed to be the one that knew his thoughts, meaning, and even motives. That's astounding, just from the fact that you are so recent to know even who he was. But coming from someone who doesn't believe they or anyone else have access to actualy, objective truth, it's as odd as it ever is with you that you would skip into the conversations calling other people "wrong".




And I did.

So, you are wanting to belabor that word in hopes that the gallery will miss the point that is glaringly obvious. Knock yourself out.

Maybe I can save you the trouble with a caveat. "More of an expert than the people who'd known who he was and followed his videos for years."

How's that? Feel better?



Oh, so you wanted a poll of one. Sorry. Please feel free to ignore me. I won't be offended.



I can imagine you'd want to be anywhere but here.


Here. I'll go through the trouble again...

I'm trying to view this as fun.

1. The like was a subtle substitute for an admission of guilt and an apology. But that's okay.

2. The 50+% who have no clue who he was is left with nothing but to base their opinions and conclusions on what they do know. Which seemed to be a difficult concept for some pf posters to process. I was attempting to shed some light on that.

3. No lie there. I stated in pretty much every post "maybe racist". His conclusion was either intentionally twisted and non-sensical or he believed it to be true. I gave him the benefit of the doubt......but I did ask several times if you guys thought he actually believed what he said. (I don't think I ever got much of a response)

4. The poll? That was McDad's idea. I told him he had my blessings to set it up. But I really don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Your turn.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

All of his nonsense he spewed about the LGTBQ community, and minorities. Trying to pit people against them. It’s well known knowledge. Now replace LGTBQ with white people and minorities with heterosexual men, and have a democrat saying it you’d be saying the exact thing I am saying.

That's a false equivalency. And his comments/thoughts were not nonsense. Do you deny that black fathers being absent in now (I believe) over 70% whereas in the 70s it was under 10% has not contributed to violence in that community? Has the liberal destruction of the nuclear family thru the war on poverty been a positive thing? Those are the things I heard him talk about constantly and consistently.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

When he got shot he was literally trying to correlate trans people with mass shootings. This is spreading hatred towards a group of people. This is no different than the left trying to label all white cops as killers of innocent black people. When the left tells people this, what do you say? You say not all cops are bad but some are. But the bad cops aren’t the majority right? And I agree. But this applies to the trans community too, some are bad but most are not. When the left jumps to calling all white cops racist I fight against that nonsense too.

Well I guess Mr Robinson pretty much validated that correlation.

 

[luthervol]

Sure. Sure you were.

But that's not what I'm asking. I highlighted certain words for a reason.




Let me try it this way, and maybe I can show the point.

Do you believe that there is an objective truth to be known? Do you believe that you are capable of knowing it?

I will eagerly await your responses as we walk through this philosophical minefield.

1+1=2.
trump is a horrendously despicable human.

I understand the difference between those two truths.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

LOL Just because you think it's hateful doesn't mean it is.

Facts are hate speech in left land

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If you held a gun to my head I’d go left. But I’m not stupid enough to think they’re worth a damn either. Doesn’t mean trump isn’t a fascist

 

[volbeast33]

That's the problem with the left. It's all about their feelz.

That is true!!!

 

[volbeast33]

All of his nonsense he spewed about the LGTBQ community, and minorities. Trying to pit people against them. It’s well known knowledge. Now replace LGTBQ with white people and minorities with heterosexual men, and have a democrat saying it you’d be saying the exact thing I am saying.

He pushes for more gay people to join the conservative movement. He holds a black youth summit and has helped several black people get their starts as podcasters. He talks about the issues in each community. zi have no problem with issues facing the white community by democrats or anyone else.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm trying to view this as fun.

1. The like was a subtle substitute for an admission of guilt and an apology. But that's okay.

You take so much pride in yourself, I figured subtle would do. I stand corrected. Like I said, I apologize. My bad. I'd just taken some meds for a major headache and wasn't exactly reading clearly, for sure.

2. The 50+% who have no clue who he was is left with nothing but to base their opinions and conclusions on what they do know. Which seemed to be a difficult concept for some pf posters to process. I was attempting to shed some light on that.

Yes, triple down. The lazy thinkers are the informed thinkers, and the strong, clear thinkers are the ones that skip in to correct the informed people, with little or no knowledge of the subject.

3. No lie there. I stated in pretty much every post "maybe racist". His conclusion was either intentionally twisted and non-sensical or he believed it to be true. I gave him the benefit of the doubt......but I did ask several times if you guys thought he actually believed what he said. (I don't think I ever got much of a response)

I've quoted the post in question several times. You made several objective truth claims. You in no way made the argument that you're trying to pass off now. This is gaslighting, plain and clear.

You are the king of hasty retreats, revisionism and relativity. And you apparently think that makes you the thought-leader this forum needs. lol

4. The poll? That was McDad's idea. I told him he had my blessings to set it up. But I really don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Which you affirmed.

More justification and rationalization. Hating Trump while being like Trump is an incongruity. But I'm willing to agree you may bring balance. Perhaps you are an influencer of thought and new ideas.

Would you like to post a poll where people can vote on your efficacy In that endeavor?

Turns out you didn't really want people to give their opinion of you? Played the victim card like I'd just painted a sniper's target on you by laying out a critique. lol

Or you're calling me subhuman? That's just mean.

 

[Orange_Crush]

1+1=2.
trump is a horrendously despicable human.

I understand the difference between those two truths.

That wasn't an answer. Can you elaborate, please? There are so many wonderful places we can go from here. Thanks in advance.

...

Let me try it this way, and maybe I can show the point.

Do you believe that there is an objective truth to be known? Do you believe that you are capable of knowing it?

I will eagerly await your responses as we walk through this philosophical minefield.

 

[appvol]

That's pretty hateful. Which elected official killed Kirk

You're definitely part of the problem in this country.

You are angry and filled with hate

Nah not even close lol. I live in my 7 red light county go to work and come home to my family rinse and repeat. Blessed with a woman to grow old with.

You on the other hand are spoiled and think you are better than everyone

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I caught you bald face lying, dude. You absolutely minimized your savior's role in the Steele Dossier.

You've not presented one fact, not one.

The left is 100% trying to disarm Americans. If you deny that, you'd be telling yet another lie.

SO you agree that disarming the country would be something Nazis would do?

I didn't minimize anything. I referred to Obama without you mentioning his name. You are the liar. I never denied some in the left want to disarm America. Another lie. You're making things up and misrepresenting my positions. You are literally exposing yourself as a liar with your posts. It's not like you don't already have that reputation anyway.

Yes, if we were totally disarmed that would be a form of fascism. Not one piece of legislation has gone through committee to disarm Americans in my lifetime. Not once, so you are just making it up as you go trying to create a conflict that you will lose on every front

 

[luthervol]

That wasn't an answer. Can you elaborate, please? There are so many wonderful places we can go from here. Thanks in advance.

I believe that some truths can be easily proven (1+1=2), some truths can never be proven (trump is a horrendously despicable human), and most truths lie somewhere in between.....

 

[marcusluvsvols]

how was Obama unifying?

Exactly.

I admittedly had high hopes. Didnt vote for him because the Democrats platform is counter to my beliefs both politically and spiritually...but when he was elected twice against my efforts to the contrary I still had high hopes. This was the 1st black president after all. Maybe he could chisel the last letter on the tombstone of racism in this country? It was a non-issue when he was elected. Sure....the Dems still called every Republican candidate "Racist!!" including black folks like Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice...but there was no racial tension in the country. My 2 sisters were happy and prosperous, and never had to deal with people being hateful to them or discriminating against them to limit their freedoms or rights. The last racial crap that had caused any real issue was the Rodney King BS in 1990. Even then those riots were in super Liberal LA just like they are now. We were 20 years removed from that crap. Nobody gave a damn about being hateful to other races...we were coming out of the worst recession since the Great Depression 70+ years prior. Americans were worried about paying their bills. Not whatever nonsense CNN was spinning.

Obama did the exact opposite of uniting this country. He and Big Mike injected skin color into everything. "Trayvon could have been my son." Michelle saying the 1st time she had ever been proud to be American was when Barry was elected. It was endless. Barry injected himself into local situations involving black criminals in FL , OK, etc. He made it clear that he had " a phone and a pen" and not only did he give a damn about only half the country (Dems) but that he really only gave a damn about part of them (black Dems).His phone and pen comments were him openly bragging about circumventing the legislators and law by using Executive Privilege to write his OWN laws. That one opened Pandoras Box and thankfully gave Trump precedent to undo most of the damages that Barry had done by using the same Privilege. He bragged about "elections have consequences ". So divisive. Obama served to divide the country bitterly among the 2 political factions, and drummed up racial division any time he could with his buddies Al and Jesse which were frequent visitors to the Whitehouse whenever Jay Z and Beyonce couldn't make it. Barry is the exact reason why Trump got elected. Twice. The most divisive president in my lifetime. Luther will of course say Trump is most divisive, racist etc...despite him winning the NAACP awards and getting by far the most black votes in history by a Republican in both raw numbers and % of black voters. Its ridiculous.

 

[itsme]

Because if she'd taken a bad spike to the head by a cisgener player, she would of course not sustained this injury?

Much less likely. I have seen many girls hit in the head by girls that eventually played in college. They, in fact, didn’t suffer injuries that took them out for the rest of their career.

Why not just say that boys and girls, men and women have to play all sports together then?

 

[GVF]

Where are you getting that he said he is "too pro Jewish?" I don't remember that and I tried to find it searching the article for keywords, and I cannot find it. Are you extrapolating all that from the bit about being "unconcerned about...the humanity of Palestinians." Because that does not contradict the other thing.

Off the deep end? Maybe because Kirk himself was off the rails? Hard to argue that he wasn't saying something prejudiced here by saying Jewish people are responsible for anti-whiteness.

“Jewish donors,” Kirk claimed, were “the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits.” Indeed, “the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”

What do you think about this @MAD ?

I'm kidding. It's rhetorical. You don't care if somebody says something antisemitic as long as they are Zionists.

Prejudice or factual? There is a difference. I'm not arguing one or the other, just an observation that there are alot of comments here that say he is this or that because he said this or that. When in reality most every thing I've seen him say, or believe, or take a stance on has been supported by a source. Even sources from some of the lefts own outlets, like stats from planned parenthood. Is it hate speech if it's true and can be supported? Is it racist or factual if it can be supported? The first step to resolving a problem is typically identifying the problem and that it exists. That normally means things will be said that are not popular, well liked, hated etc., etc. Doesn't mean they are prejudiced, racist, phobic, hate speech etc., etc. At some point someone has to do it if we are to solve some of our ills. He seemed like he used the things he said to educate young people on the ilk they have been brainwashed with and to step up, read, learn, self-educate and draw their own conclusions. Nearly every kid I saw in one of his campus clips that stepped up to the mic had nothing original. They all hit him with everyday talking points they have been bombarded with. Or they actually made his point for him about the institutional scam of education. To me, the entire cornerstone of his platform is to be willing to talk about uncomfortable things peacefully, well knowing that was going to xome with accusations from detractors that don't want people thinking for themselves. Hard for me personally to find fault in that. Jesus himself taught if you are steadfast for him you will be persecuted, which includes up to execution. He has stated TPUSA is a secular organization...He employed 3 gay men, 1 lesbian, and a host of non-whites. Not the actions of a phobic or hate person as he is accused.

 

[appvol]

That's not what he said, but even your false example is a form of hate speech

He was 100% talking about the Fire Chief. So why didn’t the Fire Chief send the water rescue team ASAP to help

 

[KB5252]

The MAGA obsession with trans people extending to kids in school districts where you don't live or have kids enrolled, is one of your more bizarre affectations.

I disagree completely, it's called normalization. Things tend to become standardized and applicable across districts school boards over time.

And while I'd concede at least some of the obsession is over the top, to pretend parents shouldn't care or concern themselves at all is an even more ridiculous position than obsession over it.

Parents should never be shut out of, or short circuited in the development of their children and what they are exposed to. We've conceded way too much to government.

 

[volbeast33]

Because if she'd taken a bad spike to the head by a cisgener player, she would of course not sustained this injury?

you do know that men hit a lot harder than women, don’t u?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I believe that some truths can be easily proven (1+1=2), some truths can never be proven (trump is a horrendously despicable human), and most truths lie somewhere in between.....

So you do believe that you have access to and can know at least some objective truth? If so, what makes you believe that? (I'm asking because I don't want to misrepresent you from an aging memory per several years ago.)

Is it because you don't believe in objective moral truth that you do not believe that you can prove that Trump is a horrendously despicable person? Because you don't have anything of substance to base the claim on?

 

[LadyVolette]

Yeah the media was a huge contributor to that. They refused to ever criticize Obama for anything, leading to the rise of alternative right wing media.

Even today they’ll still lie and say “his only scandal was wearing a tan suit!”

Exhibit A: Fast and Furious and that was some pretty bad ish…. And they are just now making movies about it lol

 

[KB5252]

SIAP ......

Kimmel is a left fellating tool. He has to be to get talent into his show. Who cares, he's not news and he's in a dying genre of entertainment trying to remain relevant...... He also might just be goading some of you into rage viewing.

 

[KB5252]

Maybe when Kirk said Biden should be executed?

There is some missing context that makes that statement very disingenuous.