Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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luthervol said:
Yea, I guess. You've tried drawing that parallel multiple times now.
The PF needs more balance. If I were posting in a far left forum, I would position myself differently.
Kind of like living in GA near Athens makes me much more motivated to show my TN fandom than if I was living near Knoxville. All about balancing the scales.
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More justification and rationalization. Hating Trump while being like Trump is an incongruity. But I'm willing to agree you may bring balance. Perhaps you are an influencer of thought and new ideas.

Would you like to post a poll where people can vote on your efficacy In that endeavor?
 
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McDad said:
More justification and rationalization. Hating Trump while being like Trump is an incongruity. But I'm willing to agree you may bring balance. Perhaps you are an influencer of thought and new ideas.

Would you like to post a poll where people can vote on your efficacy In that endeavor?
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You should feel free to do so.

But I have absolutely no doubt that I have influenced thought and new ideas. I see evidence constantly in the PF.
 
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luthervol said:
You should feel free to do so.

But I have absolutely no doubt that I have influenced thought and new ideas. I see evidence constantly in the PF.
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I'm certain you see it.

Ask the board and let's see. I'll do my part and make an appeal that people leave their emotions and preconceptions out of the vote as much as possible. Let's give you the feedback necessary so you can be the best at what you're trying to accomplish.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He intentionally spent 8 years dividing the country at a time when it was the most unified
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Yep, they kind of kicked a hornets nest for 8 years imo.. especially Michelle.. she just could not stop herself.. and if you didn’t agree with every little thing they did, suddenly you were racist.. or you didn’t vote for him… racist lol.. it brought back a lot of race stuff we had pretty much squashed already.. I often thought it would have worked better to have the first black president be a Republican, actually it probably wouldn’t have been so divisive
 
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McDad said:
I'm certain you see it.

Ask the board and let's see. I'll do my part and make an appeal that people leave their emotions and preconceptions out of the vote as much as possible. Let's give you the feedback necessary so you can be the best at what you're trying to accomplish.
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lol....I'd prefer you start the poll. You have my blessings!!!!

And we all have similarities and differences with trump......it's on a continuum.

You and I are not nearly as far apart on that continuum as you evidently believe.
 
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But, Obama did open the door to being President with little to no political experience, so there’s that too. And possibly led to ‘we want people experienced in running things in the real world’ since this political resume is tradition and not an actual requirement.. because when you think about it, being a governor translates much more than being a senator for advancement now
 
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luthervol said:
I do not see it that way in the least. In fact, I see the exact opposite.
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Well I see it that way. Well spoken snake oil salesman. Told my wife when he gave the Keynote speech that he would be President. Then when he won nothing but division and that’s when it all started in 2008
 
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luthervol said:
lol....I'd prefer you start the poll. You have my blessings!!!!

And we all have similarities and differences with trump......it's on a continuum.

You and I are not nearly as far apart on that continuum as you evidently believe.
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No thank you. Wouldn't be appropriate for me to farm feedback for you to be the best poster you can be. That's up to you. If I were a moderator, I would delete. The offer is there, do with it what you will.

I think our peers would not agree with your last statement.

Anyways, i've tested the latitude granted for thread derailment enough. Best wishes to you and yours.
 
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appvol said:
Well I see it that way. Well spoken snake oil salesman. Told my wife when he gave the Keynote speech that he would be President. Then when he won nothing but division and that’s when it all started in 2008
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He certainly pushed a lot of my medical friends and colleagues from the Center/Left-center to the Right.
 
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appvol said:
Well I see it that way. Well spoken snake oil salesman. Told my wife when he gave the Keynote speech that he would be President. Then when he won nothing but division and that’s when it all started in 2008
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Is the division that started in 2008, the magnified division which leads to CK's murder?

If so, I disagree it started with Obama.
 
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McDad said:
Is the division that started in 2008, the magnified division which leads to CK's murder?

If so, I disagree it started with Obama.
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CK murder has to do more with the hate towards Trump and thinking that conservatives are evil. Obama just paved the path for the country to be so divided
 
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appvol said:
CK murder has to do more with the hate towards Trump and thinking that conservatives are evil. Obama just paved the path for the country to be so divided
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How would you respond to this statement if asked:
The country isn't divided; social media is divisive.
 
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luthervol said:
I do not see it that way in the least. In fact, I see the exact opposite.
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“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”, the roots of the BLM movement started with Obama. He was not unifying.

“They cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren’t like them”

“The Cambridge police acted stupidly”

Regarding “climate change deniers” (a nonexistent group of people), he declared “we don’t have time for flat earthers”.

He greatly and intentionally divided our country. He’s why Trump happened
 
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luthervol said:
I do not see it that way in the least. In fact, I see the exact opposite.
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Nobody is going to think you believe the opposite. You are ill. Which is why you don't see a problem with Obama/Biden going after political groups via everything from the IRS to FBI, and you had no problem with them targeting a political presidential candidate, presidential elect and president and colluding with foreign governments and agents to do it. You have never called for any of those people to go to jail because you yourself don't "see it" as a problem. You don't care if people are killed for expressing their views but you probably are chicken enough to do it yourself. You have serious issues, so yes nobody is surprised you "do not see it".
 
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