Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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Orange_Crush said:
It's better to have these poor, defenseless, unthinking adults go to classrooms, be told things by an authority figure, and graded according to how well they regurgitate it back to the authority figure. Inviting them into dialog is a bridge too far.
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Clearly “out of bounds” to engage in debate.

Huff making that insane claim seems awkwardly close to justifying this. “Sure, you shouldnt kill people, but his actions were clearly out of bounds!”
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I would hope so too but TDS is a real and strong thing. I have customers that I'm friends on Facebook with. I can't believe the vitriol, outright lies, and hate they spread. It's unbelievable to me. We are supposed to do a small project for them. My son is handling it. I told him I was going to explain to them that they needed to find someone else that I couldn't in good faith do something for someone with that much hate in their sole. He said he wanted go finish it.
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That must be an evil shoe!


I kid! I kid!
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I would hope so too but TDS is a real and strong thing. I have customers that I'm friends on Facebook with. I can't believe the vitriol, outright lies, and hate they spread. It's unbelievable to me. We are supposed to do a small project for them. My son is handling it. I told him I was going to explain to them that they needed to find someone else that I couldn't in good faith do something for someone with that much hate in their sole. He said he wanted go finish it.
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My wife has/had some "good" friends who have recently posted so much rightwing BS and hatred toward the left on Facebook, that it has pretty much ruined their friendships.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
lol

If someone posted a poll indicating that 50% of conservatives were loosely or tightly in favor of political violence, the liberals here would be referring to it endlessly. lol


We've just had to explain to some of the liberals here that Christians do not, in fact, want to turn America into the Handmaiden's Tale and Ancient Israel where we could stone homosexuals.
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... and regardless of the number of times I have posted YouTube video evidence to the contrary .... we still have conservatives all over this forum who will insist that no acts of violence were committed against the police on January 6, 2021 at the United States Capitol.

Enough with the holier-than-thou bull $hit.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... and regardless of the number of times I have posted YouTube video evidence to the contrary .... we still have conservatives all over this forum who will insist that no acts of violence were committed against the police on January 6, 2021 at the United States Capitol.

Enough with the holier-than-thou bull $hit.
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Bit dog, I see. Carry on, whutaboutBrother.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sure. I would love for more conservative voices in certain areas of academia. What's stopping you guys from being Humanities professors?

I went to a conservative university, so my perspective is not that there are "few voices." If you go to college to become a nurse, an accountant, or a software engineer, it's not like your 15 hrs a week in class are a complete onslaught of liberal ideas. Maybe you have a history professor who is more liberal than your parents. {gasps} They don't need Charlie Kirk to save them. They'll be fine if they have good reasons for the things they believe. And if they're going into sociology, then it is the discipline, not the voices. If you are a sociologist, you are going to buy into the science, right? If you are going to business school, you're going to come out of school market-friendly.

It's OK to be in the minority for part of your life. It's good for development. If you can't handle that for 4 years, then how solid is your position?
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"What's stopping you guys from being Humanities professors?" some semblance of rational thought. Kidding, but important to note I don't really identify as a conservative, or I didn't until I found that my positions started being considered further and further right-wing without me changing them.

"It's not like your 15 hrs a week in class are a complete onslaught of liberal ideas." True - unless you find yourself in elective classes in Humanities :)

"They don't need Charlie Kirk to save them." I don't think it's about saving them. But it does seem like young white males have been feeling like they're demonized and under attack for things not of they're doing and it's only natural they're going to latch onto people like Kirk, or Joe Rogan, or Ben Shapiro, or Andrew Tate or that ilk. It's a reaction to an undercurrent of anger.

"It's OK to be in the minority for part of your life. It's good for development. If you can't handle that for 4 years, then how solid is your position?" Very true. My parents, dad especially, were liberals. I guess subconsciously my form of rebellion was turning more conservative haha. Freshman year English class at UT we had to do a presentation, and I'm embarrassed now to say really what mine was on, but it was a very naive conservative-based view on a topic I honestly didn't know much about. The teacher, clearly a progressive, tore it apart. And you know what? I started thinking more and more about the topic and I changed my viewpoint on it. I'm glad he challenged me. I guess what I'm saying is, at least for those who don't go to the few conservative universities that exist like you did, and especially the kids that dive into the Humanities building and don't come up much for air, I think it's good for them to once in a while hear a Charlie Kirk out there
 
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luthervol said:
My wife has/had some "good" friends who have recently posted so much rightwing BS and hatred toward the left on Facebook, that it has pretty much ruined their friendships.
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I couldn't stand Obama, I think.he did tremendous damage to this country that may never get fixed, (I'm sure you will disagree). I felt sorry for Biden, having a mother pass with Alzheimer's. My concern was who was running the country. I never had that much hatred in my heart. Never thought about posting vile stuff. Conservatives are not innocent but the liberals own the patent.
 
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GAVol said:
That one flunks the laws of common sense.
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I don't think the math works. We'd have a hell of a lot more political violence if the real numbers were that high. Even going by just "registered Democrats" and not just "Left leaning" that'd be 22 million ok with political assassination. If even just .01 of that number really meant it that'd be 220 thousand serious would be assassins. I just think the violence level would be a lot higher if that were the true.
 
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It's just really weird seeing how there were people fired for saying something about George Floyd, the outrage from one side from it, and now the complete opposite happening 5 years later.
 
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In the context of the poll posted above, and whether one could answer "never" on political assassinations/violence, I'll ask this again to start discussion. It's an actual question I'm asking the board:

Knowing what you know now about Hitler and Mousseline, would it be morally justified to assassinate them if given the opportunity?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course they're not 4 year olds. I used an extreme example to illustrate the point.

The implication that it would be OK to use this trick on college kids simply because they're older is not something I agree with. I don't want my leading minds to be tricking anybody. I want them to win the argument by having the best argument. I don't want them to win at any cost just because I agree with them. Again, I'm not out to recruit people to my side. I am in pursuit of the best ideas. May the best ideas win. It's much harder to get there by arguing in bad faith of which I am guilty of doing at times, too. We all are. But that was CK's thing and not only was it his thing, he turned into a mogul doing this. It's crazy to call it out and have people pretend that's not what it is. No. Just own what it is.
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Your entire evidence that it was in bad faith is that his tag line was “prove me wrong”?

Given I don’t recall a lot of time spent focusing on actual logical proofs during his debates, I think you’re intentionally over analyzing this one phrase.

It seems to me to be more of an invitation to debate than the overly literal statement you’re trying to make it into
 
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Vol8188 said:
Your entire evidence that it was in bad faith is that his tag line was “prove me wrong”?

Given I don’t recall a lot of time spent focusing on actual logical proofs during his debates, I think you’re intentionally over analyzing this one phrase.

It seems to me to be more of an invitation to debate than the overly literal statement you’re trying to make it into
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huff decrying Charlie's debating intro by refusing to debate at all and interact with his actual points.


Charlie should probably have just posted misleading screenprints of headlines and tweets. That would have been less disingenuous.
 
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