Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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midnight orange said:
Could a state levy a fine to a citizen for church absenteeism in 1790? If so, was it Constitutional?
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I couldn't find record of a state doing that. several of them did while they were colonies. I would imagine it would have been found unConstitutional, which is why I wasn't able to find proof of it.

do you know of a state doing that?
 
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Vol8188 said:
His catch phrase was your problem with how he engaged others? It seems like he’s saying “prove me wrong” as a way of inciting debate.

Claiming that’s “out of bounds” is a complete joke. Out of bounds are the people praising his death. Not the man inviting others to debate ideas
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It's better to have these poor, defenseless, unthinking adults go to classrooms, be told things by an authority figure, and graded according to how well they regurgitate it back to the authority figure. Inviting them into dialog is a bridge too far.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
The folks crying that it was unfair for Charlie to debated college students sounds really odd to me.

Is it unfair to have radical liberal professors indoctrinate them into an ideology? Is it more fair to have them "defenseless" against their professors? They are happy enough to have adults instruct them how to think. But if a conservative uses a catch phrase to invite them into dialog, the oh lordy... Call in the Calvary! They never had a chance!


And if he starts getting really popular on campuses, call in the snipers.
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Not to mention he was often chastised by those college students for being a college drop out.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
We get to decide which polls we believe and which ones we don't. The events of the last few days leads me to believe it has validity.
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There have surely been a lot of disappointing actions in recent days, but I choose to believe that a bad take doesn’t equal a complete breakdown of morality.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course they're not 4 year olds. I used an extreme example to illustrate the point.

The implication that it would be OK to use this trick on college kids simply because they're older is not something I agree with. I don't want my leading minds to be tricking anybody. I want them to win the argument by having the best argument. I don't want them to win at any cost just because I agree with them. Again, I'm not out to recruit people to my side. I am in pursuit of the best ideas. May the best ideas win. It's much harder to get there by arguing in bad faith of which I am guilty of doing at times, too. We all are. But it's crazy to call it out and have people pretend that's not what it is. No. Just own what it is.
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Do you think it would be a good thing if there were organically more conservative voices within universities? My contention is that people like Charlie Kirk exist because there are so few voices on college campuses countering liberal or progressive voices. Even if there are right-leaning professors, it seems like speaking out puts their jobs at risk (obviously that's not true everywhere).
 
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midnight orange said:
Could a state levy a fine to a citizen for church absenteeism in 1790? If so, was it Constitutional?
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Probably was considered constitutional in 1790. The federal government didn't really start enforcing the bill of rights on the states until after the Civil War, and in 1790 their interpretation of freedom of religion from the feds was most likely different than ours today, anyway.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
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Did you read it??? From the article...................

In the latest poll by YouGov taken after Kirk was murdered, 11% said violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals, while 72% said violence is never justified.

50% + number is from a question.....on a scale of 1 to 7...........anyone who didn't say 1 was counted as supporters of assassination. BS question with meaningless results.
 
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lol

If someone posted a poll indicating that 50% of conservatives were loosely or tightly in favor of political violence, the liberals here would be referring to it endlessly. lol


We've just had to explain to some of the liberals here that Christians do not, in fact, want to turn America into the Handmaiden's Tale and Ancient Israel where we could stone homosexuals.
 
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wtmvol said:
Do you think it would be a good thing if there were organically more conservative voices within universities? My contention is that people like Charlie Kirk exist because there are so few voices on college campuses countering liberal or progressive voices. Even if there are right-leaning professors, it seems like speaking out puts their jobs at risk (obviously that's not true everywhere).
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Sure. I would love for more conservative voices in certain areas of academia. What's stopping you guys from being Humanities professors?

I went to a conservative university, so my perspective is not that there are "few voices." If you go to college to become a nurse, an accountant, or a software engineer, it's not like your 15 hrs a week in class are a complete onslaught of liberal ideas. Maybe you have a history professor who is more liberal than your parents. {gasps} They don't need Charlie Kirk to save them. They'll be fine if they have good reasons for the things they believe. And if they're going into sociology, then it is the discipline, not the voices. If you are a sociologist, you are going to buy into the science, right? If you are going to business school, you're going to come out of school market-friendly.

It's OK to be in the minority for part of your life. It's good for development. If you can't handle that for 4 years, then how solid is your position?
 
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luthervol said:
Did you read it??? From the article...................

In the latest poll by YouGov taken after Kirk was murdered, 11% said violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals, while 72% said violence is never justified.

50% + number is from a question.....on a scale of 1 to 7...........anyone who didn't say 1 was counted as supporters of assassination. BS question with meaningless results.
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I probably couldn't answer "Never", myself. And I am vehemently against political violence.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
lol

If someone posted a poll indicating that 50% of conservatives were loosely or tightly in favor of political violence, the liberals here would be referring to it endlessly. lol


We've just had to explain to some of the liberals here that Christians do not, in fact, want to turn America into the Handmaiden's Tale and Ancient Israel where we could stone homosexuals.
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From the same posted link............
Although the pollster stopped asking the question in the same way in 2020, the percentage of people who said it was at least “a little” justified had already risen to 36% among Republican respondents and 33% among Democratic respondents.
 
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GAVol said:
There have surely been a lot of disappointing actions in recent days, but I choose to believe that a bad take doesn’t equal a complete breakdown of morality.
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I would hope so too but TDS is a real and strong thing. I have customers that I'm friends on Facebook with. I can't believe the vitriol, outright lies, and hate they spread. It's unbelievable to me. We are supposed to do a small project for them. My son is handling it. I told him I was going to explain to them that they needed to find someone else that I couldn't in good faith do something for someone with that much hate in their sole. He said he wanted go finish it.
 
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