Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[Vol8188]

I am aware of the standard. Has he done this for any of the other politically motivated attacks?

The reason your comparison doesn’t work is the right doesn’t openly support murdering their political opponents to the level the left does. The left always feels justified because they’ll falsely proclaim everyone to be a “fascists”, “Nazi”, “racist”, or in your case you attempted to openly proclaim he opposed equal rights for black people.

But I’d have no issue if anyone on the right was for example supporting the murders in Minnesota, removing them from government jobs.

 

[Vol8188]

By “jam trans/gay stuff down people’s throats”, what does that mean, exactly? Because Christians have a history of thousands of years of missions, converting unwitting colonized peoples, crusades, and spending billions “spreading the word of god”. Is there something comparable to that from the gay/trans community?

I’m curious. Do you find Christian values to be of equal or less value than those of LGBTQIA?

From my perspective I’m very glad billions have been spent over centuries spreading Christian values.

 

[OHvol40]

Maybe it’s simply because that lifestyle has been viewed as immoral and wrong for thousands of years.

And ultimately, for those “peoples”. No one is forcing them to make a decision to believe, that is decision made by them and them alone.

“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is the worst justification for anything.

 

[ETV]

“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is the worst justification for anything.

So is teaching and grooming children to believe that lifestyle is ok. Let them decide once they’re adults, not in elementary school.

 

[apevol]

Can you please give the best evidence provided that the shooter was a groyper? I think that would greatly further this part of the conversation. Otherwise, you are likely participating in a huge gaslighting, and I am sure you wouldn't want to do that.

all the inscriptions on casings are memes used by groypers. some of them are also originally anti fascist memes appropriated by groypers, so theres that.

Theres also him dressing up as pepe.

as far as i know, those are the only connections.

Fairly weak, but so is all evidence of anything.

the FBI has the discord logs, and I'm sure more.

The answers are there but nobody is providing the information

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

The reason your comparison doesn’t work is the right doesn’t openly support murdering their political opponents to the level the left does. The left always feels justified because they’ll falsely proclaim everyone to be a “fascists”, “Nazi”, “racist”, or in your case you attempted to openly proclaim he opposed equal rights for black people.

But I’d have no issue if anyone on the right was for example supporting the murders in Minnesota, removing them from government jobs.

So the answer is "no".

I almost forgot about your hypersensitivity and thin skin. Sorry, I shouldn't have pointed out Pete Hegseth is incompetent

 

[InVOLuntary]

MAGA is horrible. Narrow minded. Bigoted. Anti science, anti intellectual, anti fact. Built on resentment.

But I wouldn't physically harm anyone over it.

Lol, your side can't even define what a woman is.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I love to see these liberals trying to make this guy not one of theirs. Sorry, he's yours. He's one of you.

 

[Majors]

MAGA is horrible. Narrow minded. Bigoted. Anti science, anti intellectual, anti fact. Built on resentment.

But I wouldn't physically harm anyone over it.

So you agree gender is assigned in the womb.

If we are discussing intellectual facts about science.

Liberals have labeled black conservatives as “Uncle Toms” and whites as fascist/racist/Nazis and you’ve seems to dismiss that the last decade.

 

[n_huffhines]

Considering new information which is being provided regarding his recent activities, he’s not one of those either.

Right, but for a minute that theory explained the most. Friday night, I figured he was left. After I found out about groypers and before credible reports of left leanings, the theory made the most sense out of his bullet inscriptions.

Ultra maga doesn't make sense bur far right groyper does, and that was my only point

 

[apevol]

Right, but for a minute that theory explained the most. Friday night, I figured he was left. After I found out about groypers and before credible reports of left leanings, the theory made the most sense out of his bullet inscriptions.

Ultra maga doesn't make sense bur far right groyper does, and that was my only point

you got anything more than i got?

 

[Majors]

Right, but for a minute that theory explained the most. Friday night, I figured he was left. After I found out about groypers and before credible reports of left leanings, the theory made the most sense out of his bullet inscriptions.

Ultra maga doesn't make sense bur far right groyper does, and that was my only point

Same ones that promoted Steele Dossier, 51 intelligent officers and protected Biden’s administration?

 

[ETV]

Right, but for a minute that theory explained the most. Friday night, I figured he was left. After I found out about groypers and before credible reports of left leanings, the theory made the most sense out of his bullet inscriptions.

Ultra maga doesn't make sense bur far right groyper does, and that was my only point

Ok. I wasn’t singling you out with the ultra MAGA remark. If it came across that way, my apologies.

 

[Orange_Crush]

all the inscriptions on casings are memes used by groypers. some of them are also originally anti fascist memes appropriated by groypers, so theres that.

Theres also him dressing up as pepe.

as far as i know, those are the only connections.

Fairly weak, but so is all evidence of anything.

the FBI has the discord logs, and I'm sure more.

The answers are there but nobody is providing the information

Can you point to links where "all" of the inscriptions are "used" by Groypers?

B/C the bulge/oOo meme, as far as I can tell is embraced and used extensively by the "furry" LGBTQ community, which seems pretty widely known. I

'd appreciate seeing where "catch this, fascist" is more likely a right wing/groypers slogan than a, well, antifa(scist) slogan.

Is the "up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrows" symbol known right wing? It being on the same bullet as the antifascist inscription makes it likely right wing? Or is it more likley a reference to calling down a bomb in the Helldivers 2 video game, making the most likely full context of the inscription that an antifa war has been activated? (What makes Groypers the first and most likely interpretation of this?)

Similarly, I'd appreciate seeing what makes odes from the French resistance to WWII fascism more likely to be a right wing/groypers slogan than a leftist slogan in resistance to perceived modern fascism. Bella ciao - Wikipedia

Whatever facts come out, the point is that this looks far more likely to be a political gaslighting seeking to distance itself from one of their own.

"It was far right groypers!" Really? Please explain.

"He was a trump supporter because his family is conservative!" Really? Please explain.


But again... Can you show us how these inscriptions are common to groypers, and what would make it more logical to assume that their presence == far right? Especially with this being the first assumption when a major person in the conservative movement is the one assassinated. Appreciated in advance.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Right, but for a minute that theory explained the most. Friday night, I figured he was left. After I found out about groypers and before credible reports of left leanings, the theory made the most sense out of his bullet inscriptions.

Ultra maga doesn't make sense bur far right groyper does, and that was my only point

Similarly, can you please explain WHY far right extremism made more sense? Especially to change your mind from the mostb likely answer being that he was a radicalized far left extremist?

Can you point to links where "all" of the inscriptions are "used" by Groypers?

B/C the bulge/oOo meme, as far as I can tell is embraced and used extensively by the "furry" LGBTQ community, which seems pretty widely known. I

'd appreciate seeing where "catch this, fascist" is more likely a right wing/groypers slogan than a, well, antifa(scist) slogan.

Is the "up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrows" symbol known right wing? It being on the same bullet as the antifascist inscription makes it likely right wing? Or is it more likley a reference to calling down a bomb in the Helldivers 2 video game, making the most likely full context of the inscription that an antifa war has been activated? (What makes Groypers the first and most likely interpretation of this?)

Similarly, I'd appreciate seeing what makes odes from the French resistance to WWII fascism more likely to be a right wing/groypers slogan than a leftist slogan in resistance to perceived modern fascism. Bella ciao - Wikipedia

Whatever facts come out, the point is that this looks far more likely to be a political gaslighting seeking to distance itself from one of their own.

"It was far right groypers!" Really? Please explain.

"He was a trump supporter because his family is conservative!" Really? Please explain.


But again... Can you show us how these inscriptions are common to groypers, and what would make it more logical to assume that their presence == far right? Especially with this being the first assumption when a major person in the conservative movement is the one assassinated. Appreciated in advance.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Same ones that promoted Steele Dossier, 51 intelligent officers and protected Biden’s administration?

This is a very salient point IMHO.

Were the ones pushing the "groypers" narrative the same ones that have been proven political hack lying gas-lighters?

 

[apevol]

Can you point to links where "all" of the inscriptions are "used" by Groypers?

B/C the bulge/oOo meme, as far as I can tell is embraced and used extensively by the "furry" LGBTQ community, which seems pretty widely known. I

'd appreciate seeing where "catch this, fascist" is more likely a right wing/groypers slogan than a, well, antifa(scist) slogan.

Is the "up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrows" symbol known right wing? It being on the same bullet as the antifascist inscription makes it likely right wing? Or is it more likley a reference to calling down a bomb in the Helldivers 2 video game, making the most likely full context of the inscription that an antifa war has been activated? (What makes Groypers the first and most likely interpretation of this?)

Similarly, I'd appreciate seeing what makes odes from the French resistance to WWII fascism more likely to be a right wing/groypers slogan than a leftist slogan in resistance to perceived modern fascism. Bella ciao - Wikipedia

Whatever facts come out, the point is that this looks far more likely to be a political gaslighting seeking to distance itself from one of their own.

"It was far right groypers!" Really? Please explain.

"He was a trump supporter because his family is conservative!" Really? Please explain.


But again... Can you show us how these inscriptions are common to groypers, and what would make it more logical to assume that their presence == far right? Especially with this being the first assumption when a major person in the conservative movement is the one assassinated. Appreciated in advance.

first I gotta ask. you like fuentes?

 

[n_huffhines]

Ok. I wasn’t singling you out with the ultra MAGA remark. If it came across that way, my apologies.

No, I'm defending all people whose position is confused. I didn't think you singled me out. I am making sure all people understand what is meant by far-right groyper. They hate MAGA

 

[Orange_Crush]

first I gotta ask. you like fuentes?

Never heard of it before, I guess it was yesterday. If they are far right racist extremist, I have zero use for them, period.

But I'll now ask, why would you "have to ask"? Nothing in my post indicated a defense of them. It's a question asking why that **** group made more sense to a person than that other **** group.

 

[apevol]

Never heard of it before, I guess it was yesterday. If they are far right racist extremist, I have zero use for them, period.

But I'll now ask, why would you "have to ask"? Nothing in my post indicated a defense of them. It's a question asking why that **** group made more sense to a person than that other **** group.

because if he aint your side why is there such an adamant declaration that this panty waste piece of **** is "one of yours" to anybody

 

[Orange_Crush]

because if he aint your side why is there such an adamant declaration that this panty waste piece of **** is "one of yours" to anybody

Sorry. That makes no sense to me. Again, nothing in my posts indicated a defense of groypers. For days, this has been a discussion about whose he was. You're surprised enough that I posted asking about that ongoing subject, to wonder if I'm a far right racist sympathizer?

It seems rational to take the inscriptions, look at their context, along with the fact that a prominent and important conservative voice was murdered, and initially think it most likely that a radicalized far left extremist was behind it. Huff basically said the same thing, then changed his mind based on the context of the inscriptions.

Having looked into the context of the inscriptions, I would legitimately like to know what made that explanation the most logical leap.

 

[NCFisher]

Amazing that some Americans want the US government take adverse employment action against a fellow American for expressing her opinion about someone who was not even in the government, let alone the military. Not rejoicing in his death (expressly saying she doesn't condone the violence), just saying she's not going to celebrate the guy in death because he's a racist, which is an opinion that is well-supported (or at least not unsupported). But don't dare call a fascist a fascist.

It's not a well supported opinion at all, and is unsupported. I've already posted the actual link to the episode he remarks on J Reid, SJ Lee, K-Brown, and M Obama. No one calling him racist contended my post. #3686

You know that stupid, unqualified people are not all white, right?

 

[Vol8188]

So the answer is "no".

I almost forgot about your hypersensitivity and thin skin. Sorry, I shouldn't have pointed out Pete Hegseth is incompetent

You would be the VN expert on incompetence, so I’ll take your word for it

 

[apevol]

Sorry. That makes no sense to me. Again, nothing in my posts indicated a defense of groypers. For days, this has been a discussion about whose he was. You're surprised enough that I posted asking about that ongoing subject, to wonder if I'm a far right racist sympathizer?

It seems rational to take the inscriptions, look at their context, along with the fact that a prominent and important conservative voice was murdered, and initially think it most likely that a radicalized far left extremist was behind it. Huff basically said the same thing, then changed his mind based on the context of the inscriptions.

Having looked into the context of the inscriptions, I would legitimately like to know what made that explanation the most logical leap.

I initially assumed the killer would be transexual.
I'm by no means convinced he was a groyper.

If he was a registered Republican I wouldn't be telling you HAHA HES ONE OF YOURS, and it appears thats what a lot of people are doing, left and right.

If Fuentes isn't one of yours what makes you think its ok to say Tyler is one of LGs? Or Luthers? Or Huffs?

You think they like people getting shot? You think they're all furries with pink hair?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I initially assumed the killer would be transexual.
I'm by no means convinced he was a groyper.

If he was a registered Republican I wouldn't be telling you HAHA HES ONE OF YOURS, and it appears thats what a lot of people are doing, left and right.

If Fuentes isn't one of yours what makes you think its ok to say Tyler is one of LGs? Or Luthers? Or Huffs?

You think they like people getting shot? You think they're all furries with pink hair?

"If Fuentes isn't one of yours what makes you think its ok to say Tyler is one of LGs? Or Luthers? Or Huffs?"

If he were, it would be a true statement. But I haven't attributed him to LG, Huff or Luther, I don't believe. See the reference to my chosen vocabulary below.

"You think they like people getting shot? You think they're all furries with pink hair?"

Again, that logic makes no sense to me. Please note the vocabulary I've purposefully used: "radicalized far left extremist".


I'll admit, I find this interaction fascinating. You said, "first" you needed to know if I was a radical far right white supremacist supporter. Did that mean that the second step was answering my post, or was the second step merely chastising me for asking?