Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[hog88]

I'm still in favor of it 1) for the most heinous of murders and 2) the evidence is incontrovertible (e.g., not merely beyond a reasonable doubt). I don't have an issue with someone like Timothy McVeigh, the Sandy Hook shooter had he survived, Dylann Roof, or this guy receiving it.

How can evidence be incontrovertible when the state is the source of most all evidence against a person?

 

[CobbVol]

Not my propaganda. Charlie Kirk's propaganda.

Are you suggesting that the video I posted is some sort of deep fake or what not? Give me a break.

No. It seems that some are not able to understand what he was saying in regards to literalism in the Bible.

Watch the video I posted. It is not a deep fake, just his own words.

Do better.

 

[05_never_again]

Which is effectively beyond reasonable doubt.

No it isn't. If beyond any doubt was the burden of proof, then it would be phrased that way. People are convicted based on circumstantial evidence all the time that is beyond reasonable doubts, but not any doubt (no DNA or direct evidence).

How can evidence be incontrovertible when the state is the source of most all evidence against a person?

Do you think there's any chance that Dylann Roof didn't commit the Charleston church shooting?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Luther will somehow blame this on trumpism

And huff will blame the Joos

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't see the gun when he jumps off the building making his escape.

 

[05_never_again]

True. But just knowing those few data points, I'm guessing it's more likely that the call (or shooting, more aptly) was coming from inside the house.

It could be a kid that was "inside the house" and rebelled. See the Covenant School shooter.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I don't see the gun when he jumps off the building making his escape.

I think he had it in the bag or across his shoulder.

 

[evillawyer]

Looking more like one of yours ....

 

[Boston Vol]

Yeah, that could be him, it could also not be. I find the whole online sleuth thing repulsive. 99% of the time, they turn out to be full of sh*t and actually endanger people in the process.

And it turns out that, once again, the online sleuths were wrong.

 

[KB5252]

I don’t think his views were extreme in the sense that many others share the same views. In his defense of his views he was often bigoted, though. Very similar to Rush Limbaugh.

I believe he felt strongly that the AA communities biggest problems are self inflicted. For example single parent households, black on black violence rate, violence rate in general. I believe when debating and parsing out the details what is using honesty from his point of view sounds like bigotry.

He was very different from Rush IMO. From what I've seen of Charlie (not a whole lot, but I've been watching more if his stuff the past two days), he was cordial and engaging with those who disagreed with him if they were civil. He was more confrontational with those who weren't. Rush was much more of an ass imo.

If you have the time could you post a video you feel he was bigoted on? I'm genuinely curious to see that side of him.

 

[evillawyer]

It could be a kid that was "inside the house" and rebelled. See the Covenant School shooter.

Then you gotta ask if maybe the crazy MAGA home environment is a good one, don't you?

 

[KB5252]

Looking more like one of yours ....

??????? You serious Clark? He's riding Trump like a mule, you don't see this as making fun of Trump?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Looking more like one of yours ....

"One of yours" What is wrong with you?

They are an American, obviously radicalized by the far left nutjobs.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[05_never_again]

And it turns out that, once again, the online sleuths were wrong.

The amount of people on the internet who 1) take themselves way too seriously and 2) overestimate, or outright imagine, their knowledge on certain topics never ceases to amaze me.

 

[mrMet]

Oh such a bigot

 

[Boston Vol]

So now we’ve reached the point where we’re trying to guess people’s political views based on what they wore on Halloween as a 14-year-old.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think he had it in the bag or across his shoulder.

It wouldn't fit in the backpack he was carrying. Doesn't look like he has anything over his shoulder. Pics of the rifle didnt show a sling if I recall correctly.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

It wouldn't fit in the backpack he was carrying. Doesn't look like he has anything over his shoulder. Pics of the rifle didnt show a sling if I recall correctly.

Watch when he goes over the edge. It looks like you can see it protruding just before he falls.

 

[KB5252]

They can't though, unless they cancel all outdoor activities, including those LGBTQ and liberals champion. This is public space.

 

[n_huffhines]

Looking more like one of yours ....

I would say the costume is meaningless but the other data points have me thinking "What? Radical left??"

 

[Boston Vol]

Wait, I'm confused, a few minutes ago you were babbling that he was the son of a preacher.

 

[evillawyer]

So now we’ve reached the point where we’re trying to guess people’s political views based on what they wore on Halloween as a 14-year-old.

Just speculating based on the data points available. So far we know he's white from Utah son of law enforcement and still close to his pastor in Utah and wore a Trump costume and is good with guns. Those are your data points. You got a put money down. Where are you putting that money down?

 

[itsme]

So the son of a white Utah preacher. Definitely not the environment that typically gives rise to trans terrorists. Chances of being raised in a MAGA environment were quite high, I'm guessing.

There are many that go off to college as more conservative only to be mind screwed into hateful, murderous bigots.

 

[whodeycin85]

Just speculating based on the data points available. So far we know he's white from Utah son of law enforcement and still close to his pastor in Utah and wore a Trump costume and is good with guns. Those are your data points. You got a put money down. Where are you putting that money down?

Hate posting this, from grok before his SM was locked.

Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old suspect identified in the alleged assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk on September 11, 2025, in Utah, appeared to favor the left-wing or progressive side politically. Based on reports from his now-locked social media profiles and online activity, Robinson expressed socialist views, including anti-capitalist sentiments, and took strong pro-Palestinian stances, such as calling for the destruction of Israel and supporting Palestinian causes. These positions align with far-left ideologies, including anti-Israel activism often associated with progressive or socialist movements. He was also described in online discussions as a "socialist" and held hateful views toward conservative figures and policies, consistent with opposition to right-wing conservatism like Kirk's. No evidence suggests right-wing leanings; his motivations reportedly stemmed from ideological opposition to Kirk's prominence in conservative circles.