Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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In terms of wwiii, it's important to remember that both parties of this country are being manipulated and set against each other by foreign powers who hope to see us kill each other, thus making us an easier target, in advance of their invasion. Whether they be Republican or Democrat, each person that dies will be one less to help fight off the foreign invaders, and our best allies will be our fellow Americans of whichever party, more so with trump wrecking all of our foreign allies who might otherwise help reduce our burden when we get invaded.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Why does it need to abolished? That's why we're in the place we are as a,society because of people who are soft on crime, especially murder
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The death penalty needs to be abolished because the state should not be killing its citizens. Outside of that it’s a simple matter of trust, we can’t trust the government to always be honest and correct. Way too many people have been exonerated after years in prison for me to believe that we haven’t executed several innocent people.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Do any of you think Charlie Kirk held extremist views?
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Well if you think gay people should NOT be stoned to death, then yes, Kirk held extremist views.

Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, made a controversial statement in June 2024 during a discussion on his podcast or live event, where he referenced a Bible verse (Leviticus 20:13) to argue against LGBTQ+ acceptance. While criticizing a YouTuber for promoting "love your neighbor" in the context of Pride Month, Kirk quoted the verse and described it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters," effectively endorsing the biblical prescription of stoning for homosexual acts.

The approximate quote, as captured in video clips and widely reported, is: **"The Bible says if a man lays with a man, they should be stoned to death... That's God's perfect law."**

### Context and Explanation
- This occurred amid Kirk's broader critique of LGBTQ+ visibility, where he likened being gay to an "error" comparable to addiction, urging people to "get free from that."
- The statement drew immediate backlash for promoting violence, though Kirk framed it as a defense of biblical literalism rather than a direct call to action in modern society.
- Video evidence of the exchange has circulated widely on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) and YouTube, showing Kirk reading the verse aloud and affirming its moral authority.
- Posthumously, following Kirk's assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, this quote has been frequently cited in discussions of his legacy and the hypocrisy in mourning him while ignoring his anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
 
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hog88 said:
The death penalty needs to be abolished because the state should not be killing its citizens. Outside of that it’s a simple matter of trust, we can’t trust the government to always be honest and correct. Way too many people have been exonerated after years in prison for me to believe that we haven’t executed several innocent people.
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How would you feel about legal duels?
 
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hog88 said:
The death penalty needs to be abolished because the state should not be killing its citizens. Outside of that it’s a simple matter of trust, we can’t trust the government to always be honest and correct. Way too many people have been exonerated after years in prison for me to believe that we haven’t executed several innocent people.
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I'm still in favor of it 1) for the most heinous of murders and 2) the evidence is incontrovertible (e.g., not merely beyond a reasonable doubt). I don't have an issue with someone like Timothy McVeigh, the Sandy Hook shooter had he survived, Dylann Roof, or this guy receiving it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t think his views were extreme in the sense that many others share the same views. In his defense of his views he was often bigoted, though. Very similar to Rush Limbaugh.
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Bigoted because you disagree? What a clown response. You people are insufferable, miserable space wasters
 
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MontyPython said:
Well if you think gay people should NOT be stoned to death, then yes, Kirk held extremist views.

Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, made a controversial statement in June 2024 during a discussion on his podcast or live event, where he referenced a Bible verse (Leviticus 20:13) to argue against LGBTQ+ acceptance. While criticizing a YouTuber for promoting "love your neighbor" in the context of Pride Month, Kirk quoted the verse and described it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters," effectively endorsing the biblical prescription of stoning for homosexual acts.

The approximate quote, as captured in video clips and widely reported, is: **"The Bible says if a man lays with a man, they should be stoned to death... That's God's perfect law."**

### Context and Explanation
- This occurred amid Kirk's broader critique of LGBTQ+ visibility, where he likened being gay to an "error" comparable to addiction, urging people to "get free from that."
- The statement drew immediate backlash for promoting violence, though Kirk framed it as a defense of biblical literalism rather than a direct call to action in modern society.
- Video evidence of the exchange has circulated widely on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) and YouTube, showing Kirk reading the verse aloud and affirming its moral authority.
- Posthumously, following Kirk's assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, this quote has been frequently cited in discussions of his legacy and the hypocrisy in mourning him while ignoring his anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
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You took that as him literally claiming you should murder gay people? Or was he showing that the other person was randomly taking biblical quotes they liked and intentionally ignoring the rest of the Bible?

Seems you’re being pretty disingenuous here
 
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jvol1 said:
In terms of wwiii, it's important to remember that both parties of this country are being manipulated and set against each other by foreign powers who hope to see us kill each other, thus making us an easier target, in advance of their invasion. Whether they be Republican or Democrat, each person that dies will be one less to help fight off the foreign invaders, and our best allies will be our fellow Americans of whichever party, more so with trump wrecking all of our foreign allies who might otherwise help reduce our burden when we get invaded.
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Which foreign powers are doing that and how do you know?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You took that as him literally claiming you should murder gay people? Or was he showing that the other person was randomly taking biblical quotes they liked and intentionally ignoring the rest of the Bible?

Seems you’re being pretty disingenuous here
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Watch the video, bro. Kirk describes stoning gay people to death as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".

Does the bible advocate stoning gay people to death?
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm still in favor of it 1) for the most heinous of murders and 2) the evidence is incontrovertible (e.g., not merely beyond a reasonable doubt). I don't have an issue with someone like Timothy McVeigh, the Sandy Hook shooter had he survived, Dylann Roof, or this guy receiving it.
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What's the effective difference between incontrovertible and beyond a reasonable doubt?
 
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MontyPython said:
Well if you think gay people should NOT be stoned to death, then yes, Kirk held extremist views.

Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, made a controversial statement in June 2024 during a discussion on his podcast or live event, where he referenced a Bible verse (Leviticus 20:13) to argue against LGBTQ+ acceptance. While criticizing a YouTuber for promoting "love your neighbor" in the context of Pride Month, Kirk quoted the verse and described it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters," effectively endorsing the biblical prescription of stoning for homosexual acts.

The approximate quote, as captured in video clips and widely reported, is: **"The Bible says if a man lays with a man, they should be stoned to death... That's God's perfect law."**

### Context and Explanation
- This occurred amid Kirk's broader critique of LGBTQ+ visibility, where he likened being gay to an "error" comparable to addiction, urging people to "get free from that."
- The statement drew immediate backlash for promoting violence, though Kirk framed it as a defense of biblical literalism rather than a direct call to action in modern society.
- Video evidence of the exchange has circulated widely on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) and YouTube, showing Kirk reading the verse aloud and affirming its moral authority.
- Posthumously, following Kirk's assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, this quote has been frequently cited in discussions of his legacy and the hypocrisy in mourning him while ignoring his anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
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Get better propaganda ...

 
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