Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

I agree it’s not normal people. But I believe a lot of it comes from the garbage we see online and in the news. And it’s not a partisan thing it comes from both sides. If someone who is mentally ill and already “hates” a group of people repeatedly see someone say “x is coming for your rights and your livelihood and you must do anything necessary to stop it” this is the responses we’re going to see imo. Until it’s addressed we’re going to continue to see this and maybe even more of a rise
i can appreciate your belief. I am not online much (apart from VN), and don't consume news.

I would respectfully ask you to look for evidence, if it exists, to confirm or refute the beliefs you have. If causation is found, I am fine with taking measures necessary to improve things.
 
They had a plan to shoot and escape, but I don't think he blended in with the crowd that I know of. I think they said he went through a neighborhood before dumping the rifle in a wooded area.

But the fact he didn't wait around was telling. Professionals will verify their shot placement and kill. It's not like movies or video games where the scope stays on target through the whole shot. A .30-06 produces enough recoil in a hunting rifle that the scope will be well off target after the shot. Professionals can dial back in quickly and evaluate. Amateurs not so much. Regardless, the shooter likely would not have known shot placement except to know CK was hit. I'll give that a 50-50 chance though. Kirk dropped to the ground but it was just barely long enough to know you hit. But I don't think the shooter stuck around that long.

The crazy thing is nobody noticed him running off with a rifle? Even in a case or wrapped in a blanket, that's gonna look suspicious. But I'm the chaos, anything is possible.


Yes, odd no one noticed him.
 
the examples had impact beyond. some impact was agreement. some impact was disagreement.

Do you agree?

not sure I follow

when I say impact it could be a person didn't get a job because a company adopted a DEI policy grounded in the concepts of intersectionality or a female athlete lost an event or position on team to a biological male because the school or sanctioning body adopted the trans beliefs that you are what you say you are and biological differences are irrelevant or someone who was fired because they made a statement that questioned the fringe ideas.
 
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People kill people for a very wide variety of reasons. The fact that millions of people are mourning for this guy when people kill others for subjectively worse reasons is a headscratcher.

My theory? His death is just a vessel and/or excuse to justify more hate.
I think a big reason people are mourning is because of the movement he made in the younger generation. A lot of young people essentially grew up watching him. What other political speakers like him get tens of thousands to go listen to him on campus?

Oh i agree it will be 100% be used to justify more hate
 
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I think a big reason people are mourning is because of the movement he made in the younger generation. A lot of young people essentially grew up watching him. What other political speakers like him get tens of thousands to go listen to him on campus?

Oh i agree it will be 100% be used to justify more hate

That guy wanted him dead, and he knows exactly why he wanted him dead. He already knows.
 
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not sure I follow

when I say impact it could be a person didn't get a job because a company adopted a DEI policy grounded in the concepts of intersectionality or a female athlete lost an event or position on team to a biological male because the school or sanctioning body adopted the trans beliefs that you are what you say you are and biological differences are irrelevant or someone who was fired because they made a statement that questioned the fringe ideas.
allow an oversimplification, then.

there was impact. some impact was positive and some was negative.

Agree?
 
I disagree they were adopted by a broad swath. That isn't a defined unit of measurement so debating the largeness of the swath is futile.

What if i stated it this way, fringe ideas being adopted by fringe people and groups, even some large, public, well-established groups?
I agree. Squeaky wheel and what not.
 
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i can appreciate your belief. I am not online much (apart from VN), and don't consume news.

I would respectfully ask you to look for evidence, if it exists, to confirm or refute the beliefs you have. If causation is found, I am fine with taking measures necessary to improve things.
I’ll get them together and send some links

The problem is I’m not sure what measures can be taken to improve things tbh. At least not ones that don’t infringe on the 1stA
 
Yes, I can't help but point out that even the least offensive is found polarizing by someone. The point is we should marginalize those someones, rather than indulge them.
I'm unsure why you found that contentious.
I actually agreed with your post. I just thought it was funny you had to pop that last comment in there. It wasn't contentious at all
 
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Yes, odd no one noticed him.

Depends on how quickly he got down the stairs of the building and that rifle hidden. In the chaos, people look for obvious, not subtle. A rolled up blanket doesn't attract a much attention as a rifle would.
 
Exactly, you wanted him dead.

Brother, if it's anything anyone who knows me (here or in my daily life) is that I'm not afraid of expressing my feelings about something, regardless of its morbidity and poor optics.

I don't care if you think that, but I assure you I was more focused on renting a moving truck and swing trading stocks yesterday than I was on CK getting shot in the neck.
 
They aren't going to make it that easy to identify conspirators... dude was literally in the camera shot with CK. Which means he likely was part of TPUSA and assisting CK. Anything else implies an inside job.

I mess with my ball cap all the time. It's just something people do.


Immediately after the second completes his sequence the shot fired. That was edited out. But, I have seen the unedited where the shot was fired exactly as the second guy finished his arm signals. One doing hat and ears, the second doing arms. Could be a nothing burger, but sure looks weird. These two are supposedly not part of CK's empoyed security circle, but of hte few that were hired in for the event.

I totally get this is all conjecture, but the optics are strange.
 
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