Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[Smokey123]

 

[Ttucke11]

the emotional bandwidth is finite. There may be policies and procedures which live on but the anger, fear, anxiety, retribution will fade over the weeks.

Many on the right, myself included, have bit down for a long time. Tried to reason, tried to come to agreements, said agree to disagree. This did not work. We were called racist Nazi fascists for having moderate opinions. Now a dude many people admired for his courage to display Christ and engage in open debate is assassinated in front of us and people online and in the media are celebrating. Now I know a lot are bots, edge Lord losers, etc but when people on here are 1 foot in with the "well he was polarizing" nonsense it really makes some gears turn.

I think this will burn much longer than what people think. People are pissed off for being screeched at for 10 straight years and having false projections laid on our heads and this is a breaking point for many.

This is no way justifying my own anger or others. I wish I was better but I'm not, I'm enraged. I will cool off, but the younger men who really like Charlie will simmer for quite a while imo.

 

[dalton_vol]

This.....

 

[McDad]

I was suggesting that even if the ideas are fringe they were adopted far beyond the fringe and as a result a broad swath of the country was impacted by actions grounded in these ideas being true.

I disagree they were adopted by a broad swath. That isn't a defined unit of measurement so debating the largeness of the swath is futile.

What if i stated it this way, fringe ideas being adopted by fringe people and groups, even some large, public, well-established groups?

 

[dalton_vol]

Many on the right, myself included, have bit down for a long time. Tried to reason, tried to come to agreements, said agree to disagree. This did not work. We were called racist Nazi fascists for having moderate opinions. Now a dude many people admired for his courage to display Christ and engage in open debate is assassinated in front of us and people online and in the media are celebrating. Now I know a lot are bots, edge Lord losers, etc but when people on here are 1 foot in with the "well he was polarizing" nonsense it really makes some gears turn.

I think this will burn much longer than what people think. People are pissed off for being screeched at for 10 straight years and having false projections laid on our heads and this is a breaking point for many.

This is no way justifying my own anger or others. I wish I was better but I'm not, I'm enraged. I will cool off, but the younger men who really like Charlie will simmer for quite a while imo.

It needs to simmer in local and national elections.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Embracing it referred to the false flag theory.

I don't think anyone could believe even if you said 1+1=2 at this point as you have other motives. Like when Jawtator came out here last year and pretended like he hadn't voted for all this nonsense for years and started a threat on it.

We get it, you are Evil - I don't disagree with you on that why would anyone listen to you on anything?

 

[Smokey123]

We are hitting bottom.

After a limited time, the discussion will begin to improve. In a few weeks, this event will be clearly in the rear view mirror.

Until the exact same thing happens again

 

[NCFisher]

Would you be receptive to an opinion that those making those claims are very fringe and those claims are not being adopted as factual by our society?

I consider it fringe and irrational to normal people, while thriving in academia and the Democrat party. It's mainstream for a wide swath of the population. I'd demonstrated that in posts some time back when the left exclaimed your kid is only getting CRT and attendant critical studies exposure if they're at Harvard Law. It was entirely false, of course, as I pointed out the two largest teachers unions vowing to fight tooth and nail to defend such teachings in K-12. I literally had excerpts from books in those libraries deleted from the forum because of their sexually explicit, cartoon-for-kids depictions.

OTOH, I'd rather be accurate, truth-serving than to simply win an argument, so I'm always open to counter opinion.

 

[Tman44]

 

[Ashevolle]

the corollary is true - those who scoff at any false flag explanation are now embracing it in this instance. two examples in this thread

Yep. So sad to see left and right both acting indistinguishably crazy while shouting that they're the only sane actor in the room. I'm so sick of idealogues of any ilk.

 

[Cod]

So you think I want to shoot people that I hate because of what they have to say?????
Are you 7 or 97? Anyone in between should have the mental fortitude to know better.
You might want to take a vacation.

Are you saying you "hate" people because of what they have to say??

That's just ****ed up, the fact you "hate" someone who disagrees with you says enough.

 

[dalton_vol]

I disagree they were adopted by a broad swath. That isn't a defined unit of measurement so debating the largeness of the swath is futile.

What if i stated it this way, fringe ideas being adopted by fringe people and groups, even some large, public, well-established groups? Fringe left is the main line left

 

[Tman44]

This is getting really strange

 

[BeardedVol]

you need to look up the DAP and Harrer and Drexler. they started out as a democratic group, hitler wanted them to change. drexler refused and harrer was publically outspoken against hitler, hitler left, and would only come back if they put him in charge, they did because they were losing power. Harrer died shortly after Hitler came back from the jail after the Pusch, allegedly to wounds he suffered about a decade previously. Drexler only rejoined the Nazis after Hitler took over Germany, but was only kept as a figure head. I will let you do the math.

Hitler is the one who pushed the violent side of the anti-semitism. previously the push was "just" to put them in ghettos and to not let them vote.

Yeah, and points 3, 4, 8, of the 25 point party platform written by Harrer, Drexler and Hitler and published on 2/24/1920 are what?

That 25 point platform didn't change when they started gaining popularity in 1929, or when they took power in 1933; the people who joined were aware of what they were joining.

 

[McDad]

Many on the right, myself included, have bit down for a long time. Tried to reason, tried to come to agreements, said agree to disagree. This did not work. We were called racist Nazi fascists for having moderate opinions. Now a dude many people admired for his courage to display Christ and engage in open debate is assassinated in front of us and people online and in the media are celebrating. Now I know a lot are bots, edge Lord losers, etc but when people on here are 1 foot in with the "well he was polarizing" nonsense it really makes some gears turn.

I think this will burn much longer than what people think. People are pissed off for being screeched at for 10 straight years and having false projections laid on our heads and this is a breaking point for many.

This is no way justifying my own anger or others. I wish I was better but I'm not, I'm enraged. I will cool off, but the younger men who really like Charlie will simmer for quite a while imo.

I don't fault anyone for feeling angry, or disillusioned. I am just trying to bring perspective that the shock of his murder will fade.

No matter how cooperative, or nice, or agree to disagree we are, those behaviors do not make us immune to being called names.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lol, never expect a MAGA Christian™ to actually be familiar with the teachings of jesus.

I don’t speak for G-d.
The MAGA Christians don’t speak for G-d or his Messiah.
I know you sure as **** don’t.

Everyone would be better off if the worried about the plank in their own eyes and let others do the same.

You seem unintelligent so read your link as many times as you need and see if you can figure out how you can apply it to your life.
Don’t bother reporting back. I’m not worried about your opinion or relationship with The Most High

 

[dalton_vol]

Yep. So sad to see left and right both acting indistinguishably crazy while shouting that they're the only sane actor in the room. I'm so sick of idealogues of any ilk.

No, you can't group the right ideologue with the left ideologue. The left ideologue is of violence and destruction. I think we can see that proof since 2016. that comparison does not hold water. I'll stand corrected when the right starts burning down businesses and looting all in the name of the Constitution and the Second Amendment

 

[Smokey123]

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think the liberals here (all of whom are basically decent if misguided people) are missing something today. Something fundamentally changed this week in American politics. Between the release of the video of the horrific Charolette stabbing and the murder of Charlie Kirk something basic and fundamental shifted in the minds of conservatives. We are done. I don’t think we become violent because we are law and order people. But I think a lot of us just finally give up on trying to find common ground with the left. We have warned the left for years now that their radical base is as taking over the party; and like Frankenstein’s monster; the lunatic fringe that has provided the energy for the party has now taken the steering wheel and will never let go.
I think a lot of us now have come to the conclusion that compromise or dialogue are no longer possible with the democrat party of today. The party as it existed in 2000 or maybe even 2010; maybe, but not 2025.
I don’t expect violence but I do expect the same level of organizational effort and energy from the right in contesting every single election. The days of simply showing up to vote every 2 years are over.
We will not rest until either 1) the democrats return to sanity or 2) no democrat can get elected to any office in America (even dog catcher).
We have reached the point of “irreconcilable differences”

 

[evillawyer]

Interesting. The FBI said they would be soliciting public help only if they couldn't identify the shooter on their own. This tells me they can't do it alone.

 

[McDad]

Strongly agree mcdaddio. Moderates can’t get any oxygen in the current environment

Maybe I am alone in this, but I feel like i modulated only slightly compared to the partisans. Now, I am moderate by comparison. But it was 'they' who lurched further, not me.

 

[volinbham]

I disagree they were adopted by a broad swath. That isn't a defined unit of measurement so debating the largeness of the swath is futile.

What if i stated it this way, fringe ideas being adopted by fringe people and groups, even some large, public, well-established groups?

It was not uncommon for public companies to adopt DEI policies that were grounded in these ideas, same for public universities. Did they all hold these beliefs or just do it because there was some pressure.

AP created a policy to capitalize black when referring to a person's race but use lower case for white when referring to a person's race. Again, did AP leadership hold those fringe ideas or where they just going along with what was thought to more widely held beliefs.

I won't keep up with examples but will just end with my opinion is that the fringe ideas became amplified to an extent that the had more impact than some other fringe ideas (flat earthers for example) ever had or will have.

 

[hog88]

They had a plan to shoot and escape, but I don't think he blended in with the crowd that I know of. I think they said he went through a neighborhood before dumping the rifle in a wooded area.

But the fact he didn't wait around was telling. Professionals will verify their shot placement and kill. It's not like movies or video games where the scope stays on target through the whole shot. A .30-06 produces enough recoil in a hunting rifle that the scope will be well off target after the shot. Professionals can dial back in quickly and evaluate. Amateurs not so much. Regardless, the shooter likely would not have known shot placement except to know CK was hit. I'll give that a 50-50 chance though. Kirk dropped to the ground but it was just barely long enough to know you hit. But I don't think the shooter stuck around that long.

The crazy thing is nobody noticed him running off with a rifle? Even in a case or wrapped in a blanket, that's gonna look suspicious. But I'm the chaos, anything is possible.

If I were trying to pull this off and not get caught/noticed.

1. I would have wore clothing that would blend in with the crowd and covered myself with a tarp that blended into the roof. Not all black.
2. After the shot, I would have left the rifle and exfilled by crawling keeping low so not to silhouette myself. With the surrounding buildings creating echo and the mass panic confusion I wouldn't have made a hasty retreat carrying my tools. Let the confusion and panic work for me.
3. Had a stolen vehicle parked nearby and walked/ran just like the rest of the crowd to it then drove away.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Pretty good detailed photos coming out on the suspect now. Asking public for help finding person of interest.

 

[Grand Vol]

Kind of wondering if it was a group effort perhaps?

I highly doubt it's a "conspiracy" in the traditional sense. The shooter maybe had a "support" network that maybe even egged him on, but these people talking about the alleged hand signals behind are way off base here. Same thing with the plane that departed the airport lol

The fact the shooter dumped the rifle to where it was found quickly implies they were scared of being caught with it as the manhunt ensued. If there was a true conspiracy, they would have had a getaway vehicle and driver ready to go way closer to the incident scene than that. He went through a neighborhood which meant he didn't have that option, at least not close by.

I do feel like we will find he had someone harboring him in the aftermath.