Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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dalton_vol said:
I think a professional would not be running to escape, I think a professional would have picked a position that he could shoot and then Escape without making a scene. Professionals normally plan their Escape Route and have the Escape Route established once they determine where to shoot
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There’s no way it was a professional hit. The exiting of the area, the weapon was recovered and it apparently has a palm print, reports this morning that they multiple cameras showing a college age male. It’s some whack job, that if reports are true has a trans agenda (again, there’s a pattern here).
 
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GVF said:
Agreed. But, they have been targeted for thousands of years. Maybe they feel it is just to defend themselves as a people by whatever means they feel allows them to survive. Hiding amongst those civilians as cowards is also not a just tactict. Fact remains though that Israels repsonses are majority, if not always, self defense.

Don't recall alot of outcry in this country amongst the protestors about Hamas attacking them and killing innocent people. But, the anti-semitic bandwagon overflows.
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Interestingly, many in Israel are not aligned to the actions of the Israeli government. Netanyahou is an extremist in my view causing all kinds of turmoil in the region. But yes, both things can be true. Many actions of HAMAS are wrong and the complete subjegation of HAMAS is wrong.
 
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dalton_vol said:
I think a professional would not be running to escape, I think a professional would have picked a position that he could shoot and then Escape without making a scene. Professionals normally plan their Escape Route and have the Escape Route established once they determine where to shoot
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Looks like the culprit DID have an escape plan and it worked without creating a scene. Only analysis of video after the fact even revealed the escape. And running can definitely be part of the escape plan as long as he isn’t in a crowd.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You really need to expand your vocabulary. His methods were polarizing. He was extremely direct he sought out discourse on very hot topic issues. Polarizing doesn’t have to be derogatory it’s just a natural response to his methods. I’ve stated his beliefs in many cases are not in conflict with mine. Again this is all your inference and you’re FOS with it as far as I’m concerned.

Look at the 3rd definition in the list below. It is a response to his methods. And he wasn’t stupid he purposely chose those methods.

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Who can you point to in politics over the past 25 years is not polarizing?
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
You’re exactly correct! The Palestinian “plight” concerns me about as much as your illegal friend/neighbor fearing for his family’s deportation: not one ****ing bit.

There’s nothing wrong with not caring about other countries.
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Cool. That’s fine. We’ll mark you down as someone who completely disagrees with Jesus teachings. That’s your right of course.
 
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LouderVol said:
this is the exact type of rhetoric you claim to be against from the left.

there is a difference in being like "oh well that DA got his arse beat in a FAFO moment." and "that DA got his arse beat and its the fault of his political side."

after any of these terrible deaths, we should be pushing for healing. not justifying future bad acts, or trying to explain it away.
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I don't think I took a stand either way since said DA did have their FAFO moment. I'm saying they didn't realize the shift as Dink pointed out earlier and the right isn't taking the "moral high road" like they did 10 years ago. DA likely thought he was going to be able to do what he did without repercussions and learned just how popular Kirk was.

You'll see more of this as people on the right have been pushed to the breaking point. I saw someone say yesterday that the shot that killed Kirk also killed moderate conservatives. There's only so many times someone can say "take the high road" before the crowd finally had enough.

And I'll also agree we should be pushing for healing. But I'm a realist in knowing the path were on isn't an easy one to come off as people on both sides are stoking the flames.

Poking the hornets nest continually is going to cause the HORNETS to get pissed eventually.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Swampy,

I think your faith is misplaced. I think you put more faith into the government than God.

Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is caesars and unto God what is Gods.

Jesus didn’t command the government to feed the hungry or clothed the poor. He commanded the church (the children of God).

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors house
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Commandment 11. Government of man shall coerce love from each other in my name.
 
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mrMet said:
How has taking the moral high ground worked for the right lately?

It’s not working. The left gets more bold and brazen by day.

Everybody has free speech, but free speech also has consequences and most of these folks need to be taught about said consequences
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Vance Boelter is clear evidence that the right hasn't been taking the high road and instead has already engaged in politically motivated assassination against the democratic political figures.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Ammunition engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology was found inside the rifle authorities believe was used in Kirk’s shooting, sources say <a href="https://t.co/yoU5eWCXeQ">https://t.co/yoU5eWCXeQ</a></p>&mdash; The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) <a href="">September 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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CobbVol said:
Who can you point to in politics over the past 25 years is not polarizing?
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I don’t disagree with the premise but I do think the 25 year timeline is a bit long. I’d say right now if you’ve got a prominent voice and a large audience as a political pundit you’re likely using polarizing methods. And very many do it on purpose they know the outcomes will be divisive. And before I make more people cry I’m not specifically talking about Kirk but yes I did call him polarizing. We are both talking in generalities here. Ben Shapiro is another one. Tucker Carlson also.

But I’ll add I don’t think Rogan is polarizing.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Cool. That’s fine. We’ll mark you down as someone who completely disagrees with Jesus teachings. That’s your right of course.
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So are the students and professors who stood on college campuses wearing keffiyehs and chanting “from the river to the sea” more in line with Christ’s teachings by your metrics?
 
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MSUDuo said:
Clearly what we’ve been doing is working. My apologies, carry on
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And @LouderVol
What is your sociopath testing, and do non-violents have a 2A right?

Are we asserting murderers are pretty uniformly violent sociopaths? If not, what is the pre-crime testing to keep guns from those who'll misuse them?
 
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